Repugs

[Sklampton]

You know what I hate? Republicans.

Discuss.

[the truth]

you should hate yourself for never qualifying to be Head Fry Cook.

[SeattleGossip]

you should hate yourself for never qualifying to be Head Fry Cook.

Prolly better than being a lowly Help Desk boy, like yourself...

[the truth]

Prolly better than being a lowly Help Desk boy, like yourself...


spake the Junior Fry Cook.

[NaCl]

Mmmm... fry cooks...

[Mr Sparkly Pants]

You know what I hate? Republicans.

Discuss.

Principled, conscionable Republicans are as smart or as flawed as anyone else. Neokon Republicans (pretty much all of who we hear from today) are not smart at all, and the planet would perhaps have a chance to heal without them. Alas, we'll probably never know for sure. Didn't another religious wackaloon judge just get confirmed for life?

Neokon Republicans: They're ruthless and conniving. They are devoid of conscience, will not compromise, and they compete best against the weak and underrepresented. If faced with an even hand, they cheat. Every time.

Most are violent and fundamentally religious, paranoid simpletons; all are at heart, bullies and cowards who feel it's their birthright to be accountable to no one, and send others to do their fighting for them.

They appeal to the selfish, the shallow, the undereducated and greed-driven pricks, whose hypocrisy is unabashedly and cluelessly exposed in any situation.

Neokons and their sheep will consume the most, whine the loudest, contribute the least. They don't travel or read much, yet somehow believe they know what's best for everyone else.

Their everyday tastes and fancies are repulsed by anything that makes the world an otherwise fascinating, unbelievably unique place. The more tacky, ostentatious, intimidating and artificial -- the better for the neokon.

[Ken Burch]

Dan Evans. Tom McCall. Mark Hatfield.
Wayne Morse started out as a decent Republican, and Ike's decision to put Nixon on the ticket drove him away.

Morse was a protege of "Fightin Bob" LaFollette of Wisconsin, who served as a Republican Senator until his state had a colossal wet brain fart and replaced him with Joe McCarthy.

to paraphrase Simon & Garfunkel:

"Where have you gone, Teddy Roosevelt, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you, woo woo woo..."

Sigh...

[Breadhead]

The thing that scares me is that some of them, like Wolfowitz, Perle and Kristol, are clearly sincere in their beliefs. If they were just corrupt opportunists, I could probably handle it, but how do you deal with true believers?

[lovethebomb]

The thing that scares me is that some of them, like Wolfowitz, Perle and Kristol, are clearly sincere in their beliefs. If they were just corrupt opportunists, I could probably handle it, but how do you deal with true believers?

well now I don't think you need to worry a great deal about that. the neo-cons you listed are well aware they are foisting corporate empire, the new world order of fascist capitalism, installing puppet oligarchies to expand the labor base and resource procurement. masters of realpolitik they wrote papers on how to exploit a terrorist attack to turn the US into a dictatorship, albeit one that installs showcase client state democracies and shouts freedom while ending it. Orwell once said that when fascism arrives in the US, it will come wrapped in the flag while bearing the cross. prescient prophetic fucker.

[film goof]

What is the deal with the insane Republicans? Jeb Bush now wants to open an investigation of Terry Schiavo’s husband? He doesn’t feel like he’s sufficiently tortured that poor man. What a fucking cruel piece of shit! Fundamentalist Christians are vampires who feed off human misery.

[The Green King]

spake the Junior Fry Cook.
Spake the nuculer sub expert and keyboard kommando.

[Breadhead]

Bomblover

I know the tools they are using, its their motivations that I'm concerned with. I don't believe that they see themselves as power-hungry tyrants. If you were able to have an intimate personal conversation with each one, you would find they they honestly believe that what they are doing is in everyone's best interest.

Take the Iraq invasion for example. Its clearly a geopolitical gambit. But in the eyes of a neo-con, its necessary for the fulfillment of their highest aspirations. The fact that they aren't aware of how egotistical these aspirations are, doesn't diminish their committment to them.

Why do you think they are doing this?

P.S. It was Sinclair Lewis.

[waxfanatic]

Why? It wasn't long ago that the actions being taken in Iraq and else where were the stated foreign policy aims of Liberals in the US. A neo-con isn't some new branch of conservatism. A neo con is what was known as a Scoop Jackson Democrat. They haven't changed - the party they were once a part of has. They found a welcome place in a republican party that was experiencing the effects of many of its younger members rejecting the "paleo-con" (buchananite) brand of conservatism and its inherent indifference.
The irony in all this is that while that had the effect of pulling the party more towards the center.. The democrats were experiencing forces pulling that party more to the left. So much so that from their perspective, their former party members - the so called neo cons - now appeared to be extreme right. One has to wonder what went through the head of someone like Wolfowitz upon hearing someone characterize him as a right wing ideologue .. considering he's been a card carrying democrat all his life.

If you want to honestly understand what motivates these people I think it important that you first understand where the differences actually are and why. Its been a sad fact surrounding much of what passes for debate on this issue. Many opposed to the Iraq war don't seem to understand the political landscape or perceive it stereotypically. Thus find themselves with more assumptions regarding the war and its proponents than facts. Adding insult to injury is the fact that assumptions say much more about the one assuming than they do the assumed.. and considering the nature of many of the assumptions no one that I know, myself included, really wants to interact with anyone projecting that kind of dark energy. Further crippling what passes for discussing on this matter.


Its a sad testament to the lack of perspective many have that it was never apparent that for many of the supporters the decision to do so can be summed up as follows - There is only one answer to the question -"shall we take down a Stalinist police state run by a fascist mass murderer?" -Fuck Yes! The fact that question had to be diluted by WMD/UN issues says less about the intentions of the administration than it does the apathy and decadence of the rest of us who wouldn’t otherwise bother with a regime that murders 65,000 of its own people annually.

There's an unpleasant narrative underneath all this.. And we could all learn from it and become better from it. Key to this is asking the right questions.. Instead of "why do they...?" Try "why do I...?"

Cheers
W


Bomblover

I know the tools they are using, its their motivations that I'm concerned with. I don't believe that they see themselves as power-hungry tyrants. If you were able to have an intimate personal conversation with each one, you would find they they honestly believe that what they are doing is in everyone's best interest.

Take the Iraq invasion for example. Its clearly a geopolitical gambit. But in the eyes of a neo-con, its necessary for the fulfillment of their highest aspirations. The fact that they aren't aware of how egotistical these aspirations are, doesn't diminish their committment to them.

Why do you think they are doing this?

P.S. It was Sinclair Lewis.

[The Green King]

One has to wonder what went through the head of someone like Wolfowitz upon hearing someone characterize him as a right wing ideologue .. considering he's been a card carrying democrat all his life.
I'm going to guess it was something like "I'm going to go drink the blood of a hundred babies for breakfast."

[elswinger]

I agree Neocons are the most evil bunch on the planet, but I can't forgive "Mainstream Republicans" rolling over for the (ie. G.W.) just because they have the power (at the moment). I tend to watch the Sunday Morning news shows because they aren't as "shouty" as dreck like Hardball and the 24/7 shitstorm that is FOX. Except when they hav Condoleeza Rice, or Cheney, or the rest of the Neocon Mafia on, many of the other Republicans come as basically nice, but still tow the party line. You can't even get them to acknowledge that, even if it wasn't a huge scam, the 2000 election sure "looked funny" and a party that said it was going to "restore honesty and dignity to the White House" should have insisted on a recount BECAUSE they won.

But even though I am now forced to register as a Democrat in this fucking state, I don't give the Dems a pass. They are a bunch of cowardly pussies because, even though they bitch and moan here and there, they run towards the middle every election year in hopes to win by not offending the swing voters (ie. people who will vote for the next american Idol or Big Brother, but wouldn't vote for something really important, even if you giving away a free dildo with every vote).

[mikerol]

The country is ruled by a bunch of gangster, and half the democrats are gangsters, too. And this city with its veneer of liberalism might as well be republican it is just as corrupt.

[waxfanatic]

Wow that’s deep. Did you think of that all by yourself or did you pick it up at a party being successfully used to pick up hippie/alt rocker chicks?

You know what the difference between stupid and ignorant is? Ignorant is simply not knowing. Stupid is knowing but working real hard to remain ignorant. Like someone who consciously filters out any world view that conflicts with their own as if their opinion - and that’s what world view is, opinion - was somehow beyond refute.

I hate stupid people... especially when they take their stupidity to the ballot box and inflict it on the rest of us.

Grow up.
W


You know what I hate? Republicans.

Discuss.

[Shady_B_206]

Wow that’s deep. Did you think of that all by yourself or did you pick it up at a party being successfully used to pick up hippie/alt rocker chicks?

You know what the difference between stupid and ignorant is? Ignorant is simply not knowing. Stupid is knowing but working real hard to remain ignorant. Like someone who consciously filters out any world view that conflicts with their own as if their opinion - and that’s what world view is, opinion - was somehow beyond refute.

I hate stupid people... especially when they take their stupidity to the ballot box and inflict it on the rest of us.

Grow up.
W




Well, that is exactly how I feel...

Gj Wax!!

[popastronaut]

Principled, conscionable Republicans are as smart or as flawed as anyone else.

Exactly. I strongly disagree with most Republicans, but old-school Republicans had principles based on a solid, intellectually honest point of view. Neo-cons strike me as arrogant, intolerant, and corrupt. I have a lot of conservative family members and have come to the point where I can't even argue with them anymore. How do you have a political conversation with someone who doesn't value the founding principles of our country, but wont even admit it?

The good news is that they can't subsist forever on jingoism, lies, and divisive tactics. The bad news is we may all be living in an ozone-depleted, tropical swamp with the Christian Taliban some day soon.

Crap.

[Shady_B_206]

The bad news is we may all be living in an ozone-depleted, tropical swamp with the Christian Taliban some day soon.

Crap.


Once again a fucking idiot with this bullshit fucking Christian Taliban!! I think every fucking stupid ass lib who shits out their mouth "American Taliban" should live under Taliban rule for, well until they have their head cut off for not being Muslim!!

[popastronaut]

...you straightened me out. I'm going to go drool in a corner and give some thought to what you said. Thanks for being so open with me, killer.

[Shady_B_206]

...you straightened me out. I'm going to go drool in a corner and give some thought to what you said. Thanks for being so open with me, killer.




No problem! I just get mad when people use words that just don't make sense, like Christian Taliban. Just remember no matter how much the Christians get on your nerves, and they get on mine too, at least they wont cut your head of with a dull blade.


I bet me and you might agree more then we disagree, so we could just be friends yet!!

[popastronaut]

Cool. Just don't chop off my head alright? I just think it's interesting (or actually just really fucking scary) that the Jihad of the terrorists has been met with the rise of religious fundamentalism over here.

Honestly Shady_B, my response was meant to be sarcastic, I don't like anyone suggesting my head be cut off, but you're right on this point. The Republican party isn't the Taliban and it was disrespectful to Afghanis to make that comparison.

Moving on...

[greencassie]

Wow that’s deep. Did you think of that all by yourself or did you pick it up at a party being successfully used to pick up hippie/alt rocker chicks?

You know what the difference between stupid and ignorant is? Ignorant is simply not knowing. Stupid is knowing but working real hard to remain ignorant. Like someone who consciously filters out any world view that conflicts with their own as if their opinion - and that’s what world view is, opinion - was somehow beyond refute.

I hate stupid people... especially when they take their stupidity to the ballot box and inflict it on the rest of us.

Grow up.
W

I HATE the labels "alternative rock" and "hippies" --it's fucking stupid --and anyways who cares what the difference is between stupid and ignorant.
i hate most people --so there!!!
--because MY world view is the ONLY one that matters HA HA HA :-)

[Neil]

... and anyways who cares what the difference is between stupid and ignorant.
Let's just say that ignorant people might...

Not that I agree with Mr. Fanatic on the definition of stupid... not that his is wrong, it's just much, much too narrow. Because it's more interested in being clever than being right... A failing I'm finding with much of the current "opposition" opinions cropping up on this board. It's too bad, I love an honest debate.

[greencassie]

Let's just say that ignorant people might...

Not that I agree with Mr. Fanatic on the definition of stupid... not that his is wrong, it's just much, much too narrow. Because it's more interested in being clever than being right... A failing I'm finding with much of the current "opposition" opinions cropping up on this board. It's too bad, I love an honest debate.

i really don't think you can define stupid and ignorant--because when it gets down to it --many things are all just relative to our world views.

so, I will debate--what do you want to debate about??