I Piss On ACLU (American Communist Lawyers Union)

[Pro-Pain]

by Dawy Kidd

ACLU acts as if it was 4TH BRANCH OF THE GOVERNMENT!!!! WHY DO WE FUND THESE COMMIES???? TOO BAD BE_LOVED JIM MCDERMOTT HAS SUCH STRONG TIES WITH ACLU LAWYERS :(

Every day, the headlines scream with some new threat from the American Civil Liberties Union. I believe it's important to look behind the curtain and discover the origins of groups and organizations to better understand their activities.

The ACLU was founded in the 1920s by Roger Baldwin and Crystal Eastman, described as a "progressive" and "the perfect feminist."


Earl Browder was general secretary of the Communist Party of the United States from 1930 through its dissolution in 1944. When the party was reconstituted as the Communist Political Association later that year, Browder was chosen as its president. Browder proudly proclaimed that the ACLU functioned as "a transmission belt" for the party. To deny the ACLU's founding was attached at the hip to communist organizations is to deny what can easily be proven as truth.

For the past few decades, the ACLU has been on a major crusade to destroy Christianity in America, promote filth under "freedom of speech and expression," and of course, vigorously defend the homosexual culture of death. On Jan. 10, 1963, Congressman Albert S. Herlong Jr., D-Fla., read a list of 45 communist goals into the Congressional Record. Below are the communist goals being implemented by the ACLU in their quest to destroy America's culture and traditions:



Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substituting shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.

Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and television.

Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural and healthy."

Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the communists took over. Obliterating the American past, with its antecedents in principles of freedom, liberty and private ownership is a major goal of the communists then and now.

Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture – education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

Anyone who has been following the destructive path of the ACLU can easily see how effective these communist goals have been implemented to "promote democracy" and protect your "civil rights." Lenin stated: "Communism alone is capable of providing really complete democracy." (See Tucker, "The Lenin Anthology"). James Madison, known as the "Father of the Constitution" had something different to say about a democracy:


Democracy is the most vile form of government ... democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention, have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property, and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.


Perhaps it's time to recognize the ACLU as the American Communist Lawyers Union instead of their disingenuous "civil rights" stage name.

No organization can exist without memberships and funding. It is inconceivable to me how anyone who claims to be a Christian, lawyer or layman, could belong to such an anti-American organization as the ACLU. Burn your card and get out. Organizations like Working Assets, tobacco companies and big corporations all donate to the ACLU, which in turn uses that money to buy the favors of those who serve in Congress – who vote to unconstitutionally fund the activities of the ACLU under the Civil Rights Attorney's Fees Awards Act of 1976.

If Americans really want to put the ACLU out of business, remove yourself as a member of their organization, boycott companies that donate to them and demand these public servants in Congress repeal the unconstitutional funding of this subversive organization.

There is no justification under Art. 1, Sec. 8, to steal from the people's treasury to give money to the ACLU or any other organization for "civil rights" lawsuits. Your Congress critter will be in your district during the month of December – make the most of it.

[Gomezticator]

Where the fuck was the ACLU when the smoking ban reached the ballot?

[Pro-Pain]

Where the fuck was the ACLU when the smoking ban reached the ballot?

I know. I wondered that too. Smoking ban is not really about SMOKING but about CONTROLLING. Soon we will be told when and where we are allowed to fart, burp and fuck lol Then, when and where we are allowed to die and be burried. Thank God nobody on earth will control where I am going after Im dead.
Looks like we are the generation that will be watching AMERICAN FREEDOM burried alive.
Thanx to all socialists and communists in USA. You dont learn SHIT from history so fuck you all.
LENIN TROCKI UEBER ALLES you freaking ZOMBIES!!!!!!!!!

[Violet_DaGrinder]

Where the fuck was the ACLU when the smoking ban reached the ballot?

Yeah, I love the ACLU, and good fucking point.

[Jimmy Flame]

:mad: Aarrggghhhh... Fuckers.

[Gomezticator]

Funny thing I noticed about the ACLU chapter here in town: they're practically nonexistant. I haven't heard mention of them maybe more than once or twice since I moved here summer before last. But in Vegas, they were all over every kind of perceived violation of civil rights, and Vegas isn't any poduck village: it's got over a million people and growing. I joked about the guy in Vegas, but if someone tried to pull a smoking ban in Las Vegas, local ACLU leader Gary Peck (a vegetarian non-smoker BTW) would likely raise holy hell and be in front of City Hall THAT afternoon demanding it be scuttled. And it probably would get scuttled in due time.

The ACLU chapter here in Seattle rolled over and played dead. Or were they closet supporters of 901? Talk about undermining your own cause.

[Terrence]

I have no problem being part of the ACLU and am quite proud of it. One of the best parts about it is that we continue to promote the freedoms of all people - even including pro-pain. I certainly don't agree with him, though, and will continue to promote your "obscenity" and "promiscuity" and art everywhere I go.

I do agree that we should have done something about 901 though.

[Pro-Pain]

ACLU didnt care about 901 because nobody showed up at the right place and at the right time with a fat wallet. And no "trial" lawyer thought it would be worth supporting.

[Johnny Slick]

ACLU didnt care about 901 because nobody showed up at the right place and at the right time with a fat wallet.Wait... I thought they were communists.

[Pro-Pain]

Wait... I thought they were communists.


That is CORRECT. They are. And they are corrupted. No money no honey.

[rentatech]

If this is truly function of the ACLU, then I am all for it. There is just too much christianity in this country anymore, and I for one want to see it come to an end. I will send them a fat check when I am done here.


So called christians are ruining this country. Their control of politics, lawmaking and enforcement is running wild. They dont even try to hide it anymore. They have become rich while their "sheep" keep sending money to buy them more power and vacation properties. They legislate their own wealth. We need to put a stop to it before they run this country into the ground.

Please do your part to eradicate christianity from our once great country. Its the best thing any of us could do. Lets do like the romans and feed them to the lions for sport.

Anything to wipe them out is a step in the right direction. Nothing is too extreme at this point. You will thank yourself tomorrow. And I thank you today.

Fuck Iraq, lets fight here at home................

[grant was here]

the commies are disguised as the ACLU now? I thought they were disguised as terrorists. Dig up McCarthy!

[Ken-in-seattle]

Since I am not interested enough in looking up the debunk info for all the lies listed in the original post on this thread...

However, it did provide me with the incentive to open my latest promo from the ACLU and send them some cash.
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"We've been attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of the culture."
---- Ray Mummert, creationist from Dover, Pennsylvania, 2005


Too many textbooks and discussions leave students free to make up their minds about things.
--Mel Gabler, textbook censor, Texas

Allowing a student to come to his own conclusions about abstract concepts creates frustration. Ideas, situation ethics, anti-God humanism — that's what the schools are teaching. And concepts. Well, a concept never will do anyone as much good as a fact.
--Mel Gabler, textbook censor, Texas

"I will make a bargain with the Republicans. If they will stop telling lies about Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them."
– Adlai Stevenson

The individual's freedom to choose his own creed is the counterpart of his right to refrain from accepting the creed established by the majority. The Court has unambiguously concluded that the individual freedom of conscience protected by the First Amendment embraces the right to select any religious faith or none at all. This conclusion derives support not only from the interest in respecting the individual's freedom of conscience, but also from the conviction that religious beliefs worthy of respect are the product of a free and voluntary choice of the faithful.
--Justice John Paul Stevens, Wallace v. Jaffre (1985)

The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."
-- Henry Mencken

I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the rights of the
people by the gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by
violent and sudden usurpations.
-James Madison, fourth US president
(1751-1836)

[Quintillion977]

"We've been attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of the culture."
---- Ray Mummert, creationist from Dover, Pennsylvania, 2005

Too many textbooks and discussions leave students free to make up their minds about things.
--Mel Gabler, textbook censor, Texas
It's true. The dumb, closed-minded, dark-ageists are being persecuted by the intelligent minority. Because in all honesty, who needs knowledge? Who needs ideas?

I work at a casino, where everyone is so into their own monotony that any chance they get to quell a possible change in their system is seized with a frightening zealousness. At one point in time I would share my ideas about things ranging from lifestyles all the way down to the shape of cigarettes and soon I learned to just keep my mouth shut to avoid the depressingly destructive, unintelligent scrutiny of my peers. This reflects a huge rising problem in the world. The majority doesn't want ideas. They don't want open-mindedness. They don't want knowledge or experience, especially if it's 'radical'.

The ACLU is not an anti-christian organization just because they advocate open-mindedness. They simply promote the idea that people are not as simple as black and white. :eek: What a concept! Just because someone doesn't share all the same beliefs with me doesn't mean they hate me? Who'd of thought? Obviously not Ray Mummert.

[Hamsun]

Jesus Christ, do you fuck your mother too, or don't they do it in your village, you stupid red neck piece of shit?

American Communist Lawyers Union.

Go have some fun out in Enumclaw and stop polluting the Stranger forums with your vile idiocy.

[Mrt1212]

Those Damn Jews Are Attacking Our German Heritage! ;)

[FredFlash]

ACLU SUPPORTS RELIGIOUS EXPRESSION

http://www.aclu-nj.org/images/logo.gif

ACLU-NJ Joins Lawsuit to Support Student's Right to Religious Expression

For Immediate Release
September 20, 2005

Newark, NJ -- The American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey announced that it filed a motion yesterday to participate as amicus curiae (friend-of-the-court) in a case seeking to uphold the right of an elementary school student to sing a religious song in a voluntary, after-school talent show.

"There is a distinction between speech by a school and speech by individual students," stated ACLU-NJ cooperating attorney Jennifer Klear of Drinker, Biddle & Reath in New York City. "The Constitution protects a student's individual right to express herself, including the right to express herself religiously."

According to the complaint filed by the second-grade student and her parents, an elementary school in Frenchtown prohibited the student, Olivia Turton, from singing the song "Awesome God" in a voluntary, after-school talent show. The talent show was open for anyone from first through eighth grades who wished to play solo instruments, dance, perform a skit or sing to karaoke. Students were permitted to select their own songs or skits so long as they were G-rated.

"Because the school left the choice of songs up to each individual student, no reasonable observer would have believed that the school affirmatively endorsed the content of each student's selection," Klear added. "Therefore, it would not constitute a violation of the separation of church and state. Rather, it's an issue of religious freedom."

"The American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey has dedicated itself to protecting the right of individual religious expression, including recently helping to ensure that jurors are not removed from jury pools for wearing religious clothing and that prisoners are able to obtain religious literature," noted ACLU-NJ Legal Director Ed Barocas. "This student also deserves our full support."

The case is captioned Turton, et al. v. Frenchtown Elementary School, et al. and was filed in federal court in Trenton, New Jersey.


http://www.aclu-nj.org/pressroom/aclunjjoinslawsuittosuppor.htm

[Mr Sparkly Pants]

For the past few decades, the ACLU has been on a major crusade to destroy Christianity in America,


Are ACLU lawyers the ones torching those Baptist churches in Alabama?

Dang Jewish Jesus-haters.

[FredFlash]

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ACLU Supports Right of Student to Place Bible Verse in Yearbook


If the ACLU is out to eliminate any type of religious expression in the schools, then why did the ACLU successfully defended the right of a student to place a bible verse in her yearbook. The case involved Abby Moler, the 2001 valedictorian at Sterling Heights Stevenson. She was asked, along with a few other top students, to submit a few words to the yearbook for her fellow students. She chose a bible verse and the school told her that they would not put that in the yearbook because it was religious. The Michigan chapter of the ACLU took her case and filed suit and the school district settled the suit today, issuing a letter of apology to Moler and restoring the bible verse to the yearbook as she had submitted it.

Contrary to the lies spread about the ACLU by Counterfeit Christians, the ACLU is not opposed to religious expression, it is only opposed to government-endorsed or mandated religious expression. Had the school itself put the bible verses in the yearbook, that would have been impermissable, as it would represent the school's views. But this was a section where the students themselves got to say something, and that means it represents her views, not the government's views. That is entirely permissable, and to prevent her from doing so is unconstitutional.

Fred

[James Slone]

General comments on thread:

For the record: Vegas is a shithole. If you want to live in a stinkpit, by all means, follow the Vegas model. This has nothing to do with the ACLU. Just qualifying the comments below. Vegas is not a first class, or even a second class, city, despite its great pretensions and best efforts. It's a place where dreams go to die. I came up and lived most of my life there and I'm soul dead as a result.

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And...

The ACLU is one of the few organization in this country that actually gives a shit about anyone's rights. Who gives a shit about what some paranoid right wing nutjob thinks?

All I know is if I published something critical of the government and I found myself in hot water as a result, the ACLU might actually help me, much in the same way they would fight to protect the rights of the paranoid nuts who are afraid of it.

Of course, the anti-ACLU dingbats don't really understand constitutional rights. They basically believe the first amendment exists to uphold their shitty, half-formed opinions while banning everyone else's.

[Shady_B_206]

All I know is if I published something critical of the government and I found myself in hot water as a result, the ACLU might actually help me.


James,

Don't worry you live in the USA so you would never be in hot water for simply publishing something critical of the government, unless by doing so you are breaking the law. For instance, criticizing the government while giving away secret troop locations.

Anyway about the ACLU the reason I do not like them is because they defended the call of prayer in Mich. but then tried to remove the Cross near San Diego, which was also a memorial to OUR TROOPS.


They are giving the message: Fuck Christians, Fuck the Troops, but oh we love those Muslims.

Double fucking standard.




Oh and for all you guys on this thread jacking off to the stupid idea that you guys are so fucking smart and conservatives are stupid, well that is why Americans hate you guys...

[Pro-Pain]

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11499702/

MSNBC
Updated: 3:45 p.m. ET Feb. 22, 2006


Tucker Carlson
Anchor, 'The Situation'




If you could build a town from scratch, what would it look like? Tom Monaghan, the founder of Domino‘s Pizza, wants a towering Roman Catholic Church at the center of his proposed new town. He also prefers people who have the same religious beliefs as he does. He wants them to move into his aptly named Ave Maria, Florida.

There‘s one group standing in the way of Monaghan‘s lifelong dream, the American Civil Liberties Union, of course. Howard Simon is the executive director of Florida‘s ACLU. He joined Tucker Carlson from Miami.

TUCKER CARLSON, HOST, 'THE SITUATION: Now why is it your business what kind of town Tom Monaghan builds? I mean, you may or may not be Catholic. I‘m not Catholic, but I think Tom Monaghan should have the right to build any kind of town he wants that conforms to any kind of beliefs he has. It‘s—I don‘t understand why it‘s your business?



HOWARD SIMON, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, FLORIDA ACLU: I completely agree. If he wants to build a town and encourage like minded people to come and live there, that‘s fine. We get into problems where he tries to exercise governmental authority. That‘s the issue.

It‘s not—Tucker, you‘ve to make a distinction between just encouraging like minded people to come and live in the same place with a town organized on religious principles, in which the religious group is given governmental authority. It‘s that latter that is the problem. And I must say, just...

CARLSON: If that bothers you, I suggest you take a trip to rural Utah, where it‘s the rule, rather than the exception. But I don‘t understand where you get the idea he‘s trying to exercise governmental authority. My understanding is you‘re upset because he wants to bring in a pharmacy that does not sell contraception. Why do you care?

SIMON: Well, that‘s he‘s saying now, after having gotten some legal advice. About a year ago he made a speech saying that “I own all the commercial real estate. You‘re not going to be able to buy a ‘playboy.‘ We‘re going to control the kind of cable TV that comes in. You‘re going to be able to get contraception, the pills, condoms at your local pharmacy. You will not be able to purchase any of those services in this town.

CARLSON: Howard, I hate to blow your mind, but that‘s called zoning, and it‘s everywhere. Every town determines what cable system it has. Every town. Your town, my town. The town decides what cable system you have.

Moreover, the town decides whether you can sell pornography in the stores or not. There are rules in every town about not. Moreover, they have zoning about what kind of stores you can have. It‘s everywhere. You just don‘t like this, because this is a serious Catholic guy. I mean, that‘s the truth, isn‘t it?

SIMON: Tucker, before you jump to the quick and not very well informed conclusion that that is just anti-Catholicism, I want to tell you that it was about 10 years ago when the United States Supreme Court correctly ruled that a group of Hasidic Jews in upper New York state, in a town called Kiryas Joel, could not receive government funding because that town was organized around pervasively sectarian religious principles. And when you‘re required to conform to religious principles, that town is not fitting for governmental authority.

This is not Catholicism—this is not a story about Catholicism. It‘s a story about any religious group trying to exercise governmental power.

CARLSON: Well, wait a second. First of all, I believe all those towns in upstate New York receive a ton of federal aid to this day. So I‘m not exactly sure.

SIMON: We‘re talking about—wait a minute. There was this one town that went to the U.S. Supreme Court.

CARLSON: Hold on. I‘m absolutely familiar with the case, but that‘s not what we‘re talking about. We‘re talking about the proposed town in Florida. And the man who is developing the town prefers a pharmacy that does not sell contraception. Isn‘t that his right? It‘s his hand, and if he wants a pharmacy that doesn‘t sell condoms or the pill, it‘s not your business. It‘s not my business. I don‘t have a problem with contraception, but he does. Why can‘t he sell the land to the pharmacy he prefers?



SIMON: Tucker, there are some constitutional principles that come into play here, that the U.S. Supreme Court has—has issued in the 1940s and the 1980s and the 1990s.

CARLSON: Do you have to have a store that sells contraception? Come on.

SIMON: Let me tell you something. And what the court has said was that, to the extent that you open up your private property to people from the outside. He‘s not walling this around only for residents.

To the extent that you open it up for the—to the outside world—there‘s going to be a school there. There‘s going to be a post office there. There‘s going to be shopping centers there, which other people use that.

To the extent that you open it up to the outside world, the rights of private property ownership become circumscribed by the rights of the people who use the facilities. Now, that‘s not me, Tucker, that‘s the U.S. Supreme Court.

CARLSON: I still don‘t understand why you want to interfere in this guy‘s business. If people want to buy the pill they can go to any Shop and Save in the world and get it. Leave this guy and this town, leave them alone. A little diversity in this country is not a bad thing.

You haven‘t convinced me, but I appreciate you coming on anyway

[Pro-Pain]

http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/news/story.aspx?cid=3690

NASHVILLE, Tenn. — In a lawsuit in which attorneys with the Alliance Defense Fund defended Tennessee lawmakers, a state judge ruled today that the American Civil Liberties Union had no case against Tennessee’s proposed constitutional amendment protecting marriage. The judge dismissed the ACLU’s case.

“What we’re really discussing here is whether we’re going to let political special interest groups or the law define marriage,” said ADF Senior Legal Counsel Byron Babione, who argued the case before the court. “The ACLU’s lawsuit was nothing more than a veiled attempt to use a technicality to stop the will of the people. The court’s ruling today upheld the right of the people to be heard.”

The ACLU lawsuit aimed to prevent Tennesseans from voting on a constitutional amendment proposed by state lawmakers that defines marriage as “the relationship of one man and one woman.” ACLU attorneys claimed that the General Assembly did not publish the text of the amendment soon enough for it to be included on the November 2006 ballot. The judge today disagreed.

According to the ruling, the state constitution does not require the publication to be an act of the General Assembly. Since the text of the amendment never changed from the time it was filed and the time it was published in the media, the judge concluded that “media coverage cured the General Assembly’s default in publication. Under the unique facts of this case, the publication requirement was met and the plaintiffs were not injured,” the judge wrote.

“This is a great victory for the voters, who will decide this issue, not the courts,” said ADF Litigation Counsel Heather Gebelin Hacker. “The judge respected the will of the voters, pointing out that the voters elected the members of the General Assembly who passed the amendment, and the will of the voters should not be invalidated.”

[Pro-Pain]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06054/659758.stm

District in evolution debate to pay $1 million in legal fees
Thursday, February 23, 2006

By Paula Reed Ward, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Dover Area School District, whose board members lost a battle to have intelligent design taught in the classroom last December, must pay $1 million in attorney's fees.

The settlement was reached after a month of negotiations and approved Tuesday night by the new school board.

U.S. District Judge John E. Jones ruled that reasonable court costs in the case totaled $2.067 million.

After a six-week trial, Judge Jones ruled that the school board could not require teachers to read students a disclaimer cautioning them that evolution is not based in fact and adding that intelligent design is an alternative theory that could be considered.

The requirement was challenged by 11 parents in the district, who were represented by Americans United for Separation of Church and State; the American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania; and the Philadelphia law firm of Pepper Hamilton.

After Judge Jones found in their favor, he set the attorneys fees at just over $2 million. But the plaintiffs agreed to settle for a lesser amount as a kind of reward to the Dover school district.

"We realize this is a small school district for which a financial burden of more than $2 million is tremendous," said Richard Katskee, the assistant legal director for Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

Because the community has taken steps to remedy the problem -- eight incumbent board members who supported intelligent design were ousted in last year's election -- the plaintiffs felt the district did not need to be punished.

"We didn't want them to be hampered by the past," Mr. Katskee said.

It does, though, send a strong message to other school boards, he said, to ensure they don't try to do the same thing.

All of the experts who testified on behalf of the plaintiffs donated their time. Mr. Katskee estimated the lawyers in the case spent about 5,000 hours on it.

"The $2 million was a very conservative number, so they got a terrific deal," said Witold Walczak, who spent about 1,500 hours on the case. "The next school district isn't going to get the same break that Dover did."

About $250,000 in expenses will come right off the top of the $1 million settlement, Mr. Katskee said. The rest of the money will be divided between his group and the ACLU. Pepper Hamilton waived all its fees.

The school district has until Aug. 31 to pay, said Dover Solicitor Stephen Russell. The district's insurance will not cover the settlement, Mr. Russell said, because the school board agreed to be represented in the lawsuit by the Thomas More Law Center, which bills itself as defending the religious freedom of Christians.

[Pro-Pain]

While your organization will occasionally defend Christian and traditional values, the ACLU has worked overtime to oppose Christian and traditional values, including the following:



Blocking prayer and Bible reading in our public schools and city/village meetings
Litigating to remove 10 Commandments plaques and all Christian symbols and emblems in our schools, cities and public places
Ensuring that the grisly procedure of partial birth abortion be permitted as a recognized legal medical procedure
Ensuring that abortion without restrictions be available at any time throughout a woman's pregnancy
Ensuring that parents be denied the right to consent or even be notified of a teenager's decision to have an abortion
Denying waiting periods before pregnant women have an abortion
Denying "right to know" information to women considering the dangerous risks of having an abortion
Removing "IN GOD WE TRUST" off our money
Forcing religious organizations like Catholic Charities as well as insurance companies to provide contraceptive and/or abortion coverage against their will
Removing God out of the Pledge of Allegiance
Forcing homosexuality to be taught as an acceptable alternate lifestyle in public schools
Forcing public schools to adopt Gay/Straight Alliances in communities that do not want them
Forcing states to accept same sex marriage as equivalent to heterosexual marriage
Preventing libraries from blocking pornography in their computers

[Pro-Pain]

ACLU Sees Green Behind the Gavel
Wednesday, August 10, 2005
Written By Sam Kastensmidt

U.S. Representative John Hostettler has introduced legislation which seeks to prevent the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) from collecting millions of dollars in court awards when they seek to remove symbols of the Christian faith from society.

The Public Expression of Religion Act of 2005 (H.R. 2679) would prevent secular organizations from collecting attorney fees after suing communities to remove memorial crosses, Ten Commandments displays, or any other vestige of the Christian faith. The legislation reads, “The remedies with respect to a claim under this section where the deprivation consists of a violation of a prohibition in the Constitution against the establishment of religion shall be limited to injunctive relief.”

ACLU Generates Revenue in Courtroom Campaign

$156,960 = Nebraska

The ACLU was awarded $156,960 after a judge overturned an amendment to the Nebraska Constitution defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman. The amendment was approved by 70 percent of Nebraska voters.

$790,000 = San Diego

The ACLU was given $790,000 after suing to nullify a lease between the city of San Diego and the Boy Scouts of America. A federal judge sided with the ACLU, ruling that the Boy Scouts are a religious organization because they require kids to pledge an oath to God and promise to live a “morally straight”

$150,000 = Barrow County (Ga.)

The ACLU was awarded $150,000 after suing to remove a display of the Ten Commandments from the Barrow County Courthouse.

$615,500 = Florida Supreme Court

The Florida Supreme Court established the Florida Bar Foundation and then commissioned the foundation to provide $615,500 to the ACLU of Florida between the years of 1990 and 1997.

$121,500 = Kentucky

The ACLU was awarded $121,500 after suing to remove a monument outside of the Kentucky Capitol building.

$277,000 = Kentucky

The ACLU was awarded a whopping $277,000 after suing to overturn a state law against abortion in 1994.

$299,500 = Kentucky

In 2001, the ACLU was awarded more than $299,500 after suing to overturn abortion regulations in Kentucky.

$50,000 = Tennessee

A Tennessee County was forced to pay the ACLU $50,000 after losing a legal battle to preserve a display of the Ten Commandments.

$37,037 = Loudoun County (Va.)

The ACLU was awarded $37,037 after winning a lawsuit to prevent a Loudoun County (Va.) from installing pornography filters on public library computers.

$175,000 = Alabama

Following the lawsuit, involving former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore, to remove a Ten Commandments monument from the rotunda of the Alabama Supreme Court building, state taxpayers were forced to pay nearly $550,000 in attorney fees and court costs. Of that, $175,000 went to the ACLU.

63,000 = California

Taxpayers were forced to give the ACLU a whopping $63,000 after their lawsuit to remove a World War One Memorial Cross from the Mojave National Preserve.

$74,462 = Habersham County (Ga.)

The ACLU received $74,462 from Georgia taxpayers after suing to remove a Ten Commandments display from the Habersham County (Ga.) Courthouse.

$25,000 = Pulaski County (Ark.)

The ACLU was awarded $25,000 after suing an Arkansas county for telling the child’s parents that the 14-year-old boy was living an openly gay lifestyle in school.

$135,000 = Cobb County (Ga.)

The ACLU is scheduled to receive $135,000 from Cobb County taxpayers, after suing the county to remove warning stickers from the district biology books. The stickers simply read, “Evolution is a theory, not a fact.”

$75,000 = Pasco (Wash.)

The city of Pasco, Washington was forced to pay the ACLU $75,000 after they lost a lawsuit to remove the painting of a naked woman from the Pasco City Hall.

$52,000 = Seattle (Wash.)

Residents in Seattle, Washington, were ordered to pay $52,000 to the ACLU — for defending a student’s “right” to mock the assistant principal in a sexual online parodies … sodomizing Homer Simpson and appearing in Viagra commercials.

$6,000,000 = American taxpayers

The ACLU, along with other pro-abortion organizations, have shared in court awards estimated to be worth roughly six million dollars following the Supreme Court’s decision in which they declared the Nebraska partial birth abortion ban unconstitutional. Reportedly, these lawsuits affected thirty states.

$18,000 = London (Ohio)

After suing London, Ohio, for allowing their football coach to host a voluntary prayer for athletes, the ACLU was awarded $18,000 in attorney fees.

$110,000 = Multnomah County (Oregon)

Incredibly, Multnomah County taxpayers were asked to pay a whopping $110,000 after the ACLU sued them for allowing the Boy Scouts of America to recruit on public school campuses.

$111,000 = Operation Rescue

Operation Rescue was ordered to pay the ACLU $111,000 after losing a lawsuit in which the ACLU sought to prevent the organization from picketing near abortion clinics.

$230,000 = San Diego (California)

San Diego residents were forced to pay $230,000 in legal costs in an effort to defend the Mount Soledad Cross (a memorial to the Korean War) from an ACLU lawsuit. The Korean War Memorial had been established in 1952

[Rain Monkey]

It was the nut-job religionists who got "In God We Trust" put on a few coins during the Civil War. When it was left off of the new minting during the Teddy Roosevelt admenistration the kooks went bonkers, and demanded that it be put on all coins. Then it was added to paper money during the Eisenhower administration and the pledge of allegance went from a boy-scout thing to the national prayer.

Here's an idea: nail yourself to a cross. See how often you can post like that.

[Pro-Pain]

It was the nut-job religionists who got "In God We Trust" put on a few coins during the Civil War. When it was left off of the new minting during the Teddy Roosevelt admenistration the kooks went bonkers, and demanded that it be put on all coins. Then it was added to paper money during the Eisenhower administration and the pledge of allegance went from a boy-scout thing to the national prayer.

Here's an idea: nail yourself to a cross. See how often you can post like that.


and you should join Michael Newdow (http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/newdow.html) and file a lawsuit to remove ANY religious "crap" out of public sight - INCLUDING BURKAS. Cause Im fed up with attack on christianity as most of you folks do it out of simple hatred not just beacause you have a "reasonable reason".

[Rain Monkey]

People like you and George W. Bush claim "Christianity" but promote the religious tradition of the Roman Empire, which also co-opted Christianity when it suited them.

The distinction between real Christianity and the values that promote empire building are pretty clear. Empires must create fear of the irrational Barbarians attacking, and send armies far and wide to protect the interests of the empire in the distant lands.

Unlike Mohammed, or Sun-tzu, Jesus was not a military leader and did not teach the valor of warfare. Military valor is a pre-Christian, pagan tradition of the Romans, the Greeks, the Arabs and the Celts.

The belief system that promotes empire building, commonly referred to in the U.S. today as "Christianity," claims to be under assault. Yet about 80% of the people affiliate with the "praise the lord and pass the ammunition" crowd.

Oh, and one more thing, do you really believe that the U.S. founding documents were based more on the Bible than on, say, the utopian manifesto titled "The Republic" written by that nice pagan Plato?

[Shady_B_206]

People like you and George W. Bush claim "Christianity" but promote the religious tradition of the Roman Empire, which also co-opted Christianity when it suited them.

The distinction between real Christianity and the values that promote empire building are pretty clear. Empires must create fear of the irrational Barbarians attacking, and send armies far and wide to protect the interests of the empire in the distant lands.

Unlike Mohammed, or Sun-tzu, Jesus was not a military leader and did not teach the valor of warfare. Military valor is a pre-Christian, pagan tradition of the Romans, the Greeks, the Arabs and the Celts.

The belief system that promotes empire building, commonly referred to in the U.S. today as "Christianity," claims to be under assault. Yet about 80% of the people affiliate with the "praise the lord and pass the ammunition" crowd.

Oh, and one more thing, do you really believe that the U.S. founding documents were based more on the Bible than on, say, the utopian manifesto titled "The Republic" written by that nice pagan Plato?



Rain, you are so stereotypical its funny. Like I can predict everything you say...


Here is something for you to chew on for a sec:

We are secular government, yet we are a Christian society.


Think about it…

[Thalassus]

Well, I'm thinking about it, and I'm not so sure. Define "Christian society". What are it's values, and how do they correlate with the definition? Is "Christianity" defined as being in accordance with the dictates and policies of one or more of the churches that define themselves to be Christian, or with the words and deeds commonly accepted as originating with the figure known as Jesus Christ?

I'm not being snarky or saying that you are right or wrong; I really would be interested to know the specifics behind your assertion.

[Shady_B_206]

Well, I'm thinking about it, and I'm not so sure. Define "Christian society". What are it's values, and how do they correlate with the definition? Is "Christianity" defined as being in accordance with the dictates and policies of one or more of the churches that define themselves to be Christian, or with the words and deeds commonly accepted as originating with the figure known as Jesus Christ?

I'm not being snarky or saying that you are right or wrong; I really would be interested to know the specifics behind your assertion.

Don't hurt yourself trying to think about it. We are a society made up mostly of Christians. 79.8% of Americans identify themselves as Christians. That means 4 out of every 5 Americans are Christian, which means we live in a Christian Society. The definition of Society is:





so·ci·e·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s-s-t)
n. pl. so·ci·e·ties

1-The totality of social relationships among humans.

2-A group of humans broadly distinguished from other groups by mutual interests, participation in characteristic relationships, shared institutions, and a common culture.

3-The institutions and culture of a distinct self-perpetuating group.

[Thalassus]

Wow. I can't argue with that kind of thought-out, logically-constructed, and backed-up assertion.

Not that you even came close to addressing a single one of the questions I posed. And just because a certain number of people identify themselves as Christian, that does not necessarily mean this is a "Christian nation". If you assert it is, explain why.

So I will ask again, and let's see a little bit more than a paste from a dictionary:

Define "Christian society". What are it's values, and how do they correlate with the definition? Is "Christianity" defined as being in accordance with the dictates and policies of one or more of the churches that define themselves to be Christian, or with the words and deeds commonly accepted as originating with the figure known as Jesus Christ?

Come on, Dale. Let's see some gray matter working on this one.

[FredFlash]

It was the nut-job religionists who got "In God We Trust" put on a few coins during the Civil War. When it was left off of the new minting during the Teddy Roosevelt admenistration the kooks went bonkers, and demanded that it be put on all coins. Then it was added to paper money during the Eisenhower administration and the pledge of allegance went from a boy-scout thing to the national prayer.

I got your back in this fight Monkey Man. It was with a kiss that Judas betrayed his divine Master; and we should all be admonished -- no matter what our faith may be -- that the rights of conscience cannot be so successfully assailed as under the pretext of holiness.

Treasure Secretary Salmorn P. Chase was responsible for instructing James Pollock, Director of the Mint at Philadelphia, in a letter dated November 20, 1861, to declare the trust of our people in God on our national coins. Chase was an evil man and as subtle as the serpent.

Chase employed the standard demonic tactic of mixing truth with a lie when he wrote, "No nation can be strong except in the strength of God, or safe except in His defense. The trust of our people in God should be declared on our national coins." His first statement is true. But his second is false.

While it is certainly true that, "No nation can be strong except in the strength of God , or safe except in His defense", it is equally true that the trust of the people in God should never under any circumstances whatsoever be declared on our national coins. The people should trust in God because they were directed to do so by Great One In Whom All Good Men Trust and not because it was the recommendation of the government.

A fool who trusts in God at the prompting of the government may as well put his trust in Satan.

Fred

[Ballard Pimp]

Very well put, Fred. You'll have to give Shady some slack, though. He's spent all these years rendering unto Caesar that which is God's.