Stop The Smoking Ban!

[fawkes]

So not only are smokers more likely to be unemployed just based on lack of intelligence, but now they'll be even more likely to be unemployed for health-cost reasons:

The Snohomish Health District is considering a no-tobacco hiring policy.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/snohomishcountynews/2003171765_smoking03e.html

Bwaa Haaaaa!! Oh, lord. The dominoes keep falling at a faster and faster pace toward a smoke-free society. If good news like this keeps pouring in, my head might explode just from the sheer joy of it.

Sing with me!!! "Oh what a beautiful morning . . . oh what a beautiful day...."

<end of thread>


hey matt, you got any bad habits? Cause one day, and I pray to whatever rules this earth that this happens, you may find a bad habit of yours made illegal. Maybe it'll be beer. WHo knows? Just hope I get to one day point at you and go "ha. fucking asshole". Never mind, i already do.

[Gaines]

So not only are smokers more likely to be unemployed just based on lack of intelligence, but now they'll be even more likely to be unemployed for health-cost reasons:

The Snohomish Health District is considering a no-tobacco hiring policy.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/snohomishcountynews/2003171765_smoking03e.html

Bwaa Haaaaa!! Oh, lord. The dominoes keep falling at a faster and faster pace toward a smoke-free society. If good news like this keeps pouring in, my head might explode just from the sheer joy of it.

Sing with me!!! "Oh what a beautiful morning . . . oh what a beautiful day...."

<end of thread>

Damn, by the sounds of you and your dream of a smokefree society, it looks like you'd prefer more of a Nazi salute and a 'sieg heil'. What are you going to suggest next Matt, bring back Zyklon B for any disobedient smokers?

[fawkes]

only 58 more and then Matt shuts the fuck up!

You know what sucks about this thread? everything.

[scourge]

only 58 more and then Matt shuts the fuck up!


You gonna guarantee that?

[fawkes]

You gonna guarantee that?

nope, but for someone who wants the thread to end, he runs his mouth alot.

[scourge]

He's becoming the Tim Eyman of thread ending. I think he's getting paid.

[breather]

All Fiona jokes aside, I've been to the Rimrock three times in the last two weeks and the smoking ban just does not apply there.
We need to start contacting other bars on Lake City Way and get them to start calling Sims and Nickels.
I'm also going to follow up on the timeline for their liquor license renewal.

[Jimmy Flame]

Matt. You must be special, having access to all these "statistics". You can throw a rock and ask the lady it hits if Jimmy Flame has an erectile disfunction. Then after she slaps the shit out of you she'll ask, "Does that feel good? Cause that rock felt as hard as Jimmy Flame's cock!". Then she'll tell you how good I smell. She'll also probobly brag about how much money I spent on her too. But thats besides the point. And when you walk away, she will probobly ask if you have seen me around lately. I tend to disappear. And when you say, "I know Jimmy Flame. He and I are Stranger forum buddies.", she'll slap the shit out of you again and call you a liar.

[fawkes]

Matt. You must be special, having access to all these "statistics". You can throw a rock and ask the lady it hits if Jimmy Flame has an erectile disfunction. Then after she slaps the shit out of you she'll ask, "Does that feel good? Cause that rock felt as hard as Jimmy Flame's cock!". Then she'll tell you how good I smell. She'll also probobly brag about how much money I spent on her too. But thats besides the point. And when you walk away, she will probobly ask if you have seen me around lately. I tend to disappear. And when you say, "I know Jimmy Flame. He and I are Stranger forum buddies.", she'll slap the shit out of you again and call you a liar.

couldn't he get booked for assault for throwing a rock at her? Well, whatever, that wouldn't bother me.

[fawkes]

i haven't heard "smoketard" in a while. What's up with that?

[Ballardguy]

Only 50 posts to go! Did you miss me smokies? I was off for awhile, cycling to Northern California. Great exercise for the lungs.

What a marathon this post has been! I feel like a smokie who is forced to walk the length of the bar to go to the john. "Gasp, gasp.....puff....puff.... damn....these bathrooms should be closer to the tap."

Cmon smokies! Bring it home to 2000! Tell more tales of your awesome physical health, incredible luck with the ladies, amazing intellect, and what a happy and successful life you have! Those are priceless. Oh...and please, please...if you can, find more "studies" exhorting the wonders of smokie smoke. If nothing else, call non-smokies gay and threaten to kick their ass! That's always a good one.

[fawkes]

Only 50 posts to go! Did you miss me smokies? I was off for awhile, cycling to Northern California. Great exercise for the lungs.

What a marathon this post has been! I feel like a smokie who is forced to walk the length of the bar to go to the john. "Gasp, gasp.....puff....puff.... damn....these bathrooms should be closer to the tap."

Cmon smokies! Bring it home to 2000! Tell more tales of your awesome physical health, incredible luck with the ladies, amazing intellect, and what a happy and successful life you have! Those are priceless. Oh...and please, please...if you can, find more "studies" exhorting the wonders of smokie smoke. If nothing else, call non-smokies gay and threaten to kick their ass! That's always a good one.

dude, they were quiet for so long. Don't make them start bitching again. PLEASE?

[RobCrowe]

this horse is dead, but i will join in on the beating in order to make 2000. (isn't that like getting your Honda/Toyota over 200,000 miles?) and i think i have an angle which hasn't been revisited since the first post by fuzed. over six months into the ban, isn't time to change the smell provision, i.e. the part of the law that requires a smoker to stand a presumptive distance (which is presumed to be 25 feet) away from doorways, windows, air intakes, etc. of the bar they are in? this is a silly rule with only one object: to prevent bars from having smoking patios or even partially smoking patios. the result is the absurdity of smokers stepping just outside the little smoking patios around restaurants like Julia's or Septieme to smoke, even though the smoke goes in virtually the same place (not to mention everyone outside being subject to car and bus fumes).

we are used to rules like this in Seattle from long waits as pedestrians at red lights with no traffic coming. you can say we are really passive or that we have a fine appreciation for civic symbolism. and in the case of the 25 foot rule, what mostly occurs is jokes about the fact that it isn't enforced. so take it out and, more importantly, allow for outdoor smoking facilities, whether a tent on the premises or at the back of a porch. perhaps require that the first ten feet of a porch be non-smoking. of course, the argument against (the reason for) the 25 foot rule is the idea that a murder of smokers (has this been used before? please use liberally if you wish) will congregate and inundate the frail non-(and ex-) smokers within, or make the exit/entrance of etablishment a tortuous passage. that, folks, is happening anyway, though i remain firm in the idea that such passages are unpleasant, but not extraordinarily harmful, particularly when they are located a busy street. i'd also take out the requirement that the police or the health department police or enforce outside smoking. instead, empower or encourage bar owners to manage the problem, if they perceive as a problem. and since outdoor smoking would no longer be an offense, the only recourse of the offended would be to complain to the bar. which is what patrons and neighbors should do in the first place, instead going to an outside authority who will probably do little or nothing about it, since obviously they have to spend resources on the evident problems, not those that happen to offend a particular person.

[Interferon]

The social engineers have made it socially acceptable to vilify smokers; they probably attempt to rationalize it by thinking that anyone who still wants to smoke after being informed must be evil.

ETS? I'm sorry, but there is no proof of that. Only mildly suggestive studies that don't say enough to know for sure. If you choose to believe it fine, but if you feel that way, you are free to get a job at a non-smoking workplace.

I know everyone hates personal responsibility, but if YOU take a job where you may breathe second-hand smoke, then YOU are responsible for accepting the risk.

an analogy:

Children are hazardous. In quantities they cause stress and anxiety. Should we no longer allow day-care centers to operate because of the potential second-hand effects of dealing with whining brats all day?


A smoking ban is a sign of a society that is so utterly bored to tears because it no longer has to concern itself with the things that used to be considered serious threats to life and health (weather, plagues, etc.).

Wait until they do genetic testing. Got a predisposition for heart disease? Cancer? Mental illness? Good luck getting a job, or at least a job with any health benefits. Off to the shower rooms with you!

Remember this..

hitler was anti tobacco too.

and pro environment

and pro homosexual

and pro gun control

and pro abortion

and pro euthanasia

And..... ...

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler May 1, 1927

[Northbysoutheastseattle]

this horse is dead, but i will join in on the beating in order to make 2000. (isn't that like getting your Honda/Toyota over 200,000 miles?) and i think i have an angle which hasn't been revisited since the first post by fuzed. over six months into the ban, isn't time to change the smell provision, i.e. the part of the law that requires a smoker to stand a presumptive distance (which is presumed to be 25 feet) away from doorways, windows, air intakes, etc. of the bar they are in? this is a silly rule with only one object: to prevent bars from having smoking patios or even partially smoking patios. the result is the absurdity of smokers stepping just outside the little smoking patios around restaurants like Julia's or Septieme to smoke, even though the smoke goes in virtually the same place (not to mention everyone outside being subject to car and bus fumes).

we are used to rules like this in Seattle from long waits as pedestrians at red lights with no traffic coming. you can say we are really passive or that we have a fine appreciation for civic symbolism. and in the case of the 25 foot rule, what mostly occurs is jokes about the fact that it isn't enforced. so take it out and, more importantly, allow for outdoor smoking facilities, whether a tent on the premises or at the back of a porch. perhaps require that the first ten feet of a porch be non-smoking. of course, the argument against (the reason for) the 25 foot rule is the idea that a murder of smokers (has this been used before? please use liberally if you wish) will congregate and inundate the frail non-(and ex-) smokers within, or make the exit/entrance of etablishment a tortuous passage. that, folks, is happening anyway, though i remain firm in the idea that such passages are unpleasant, but not extraordinarily harmful, particularly when they are located a busy street. i'd also take out the requirement that the police or the health department police or enforce outside smoking. instead, empower or encourage bar owners to manage the problem, if they perceive as a problem. and since outdoor smoking would no longer be an offense, the only recourse of the offended would be to complain to the bar. which is what patrons and neighbors should do in the first place, instead going to an outside authority who will probably do little or nothing about it, since obviously they have to spend resources on the evident problems, not those that happen to offend a particular person.

No, becuase this will only stirrup more controversy and make the health fascists want to make the law more severe.

The 25 foot law is not inforced, anywhere. So I don't feel the law needs to be changed.

[fawkes]

ok, i got one question. What's pleasant or good about smoking? THis is an unbiased question. I don't care if you smoke or not. But what is the incentive to smoke? I'm not saying you've been fooled by commercials, or you're weak little addicts. I don't think either of those things. BUt seriously, why smoke?


By the way, this horse is not only dead, its been flayed, sent to the glue factory and is being used in a third grade classroom right now.

[fawkes]

Children are hazardous. In quantities they cause stress and anxiety. Should we no longer allow day-care centers to operate because of the potential second-hand effects of dealing with whining brats all day?

children have the potential to be good, and in some cases, cause nearly no stress. Cigarettes don't have any other potential than to be smoked, which may be adverse to your health. I don't give a shit about that. But kids are not as bad as cigarettes.


and pro homosexual

really? thats why he killed them if he could find them right jackass? Try as you might, we ain't buying that liberals are as bad as Hitler.

I don't mind you being a fucking idiot, but at least tell the truth.

[Northbysoutheastseattle]

ok, i got one question. What's pleasant or good about smoking? THis is an unbiased question. I don't care if you smoke or not. But what is the incentive to smoke? I'm not saying you've been fooled by commercials, or you're weak little addicts. I don't think either of those things. BUt seriously, why smoke?

I smoke because it's relaxing. At work especially. It's a great social activity, sitting out on my porch talking about life(bitching about women) over a cigarette. It's great.

You only have one life to live, smoking for a few years never killed anyone. I will quit once I get married, or have children. Untill then, I don't really care.

[Ballardguy]

I smoke because it's relaxing. At work especially. It's a great social activity, sitting out on my porch talking about life(bitching about women) over a cigarette. It's great.

You only have one life to live, smoking for a few years never killed anyone. I will quit once I get married, or have children. Untill then, I don't really care.

Oh God, this is rich. Snort. The trouble with smokies is that they actually claim to believe their own rhetoric.

FYI to all smokies: You don't smoke because it is relaxing and a "great social activity". You smoke because your body is addicted to the nicotine and without it, you become agitated and irritable. YOU NEED A CIGARETTE TO RELAX. That's why quitting is so hard.

But you already know this. Does this make you "weak"? No. Just human. Why is it so hard to admit that smoking is an addiction??

[Northbysoutheastseattle]

Oh God, this is rich. Snort. The trouble with smokies is that they actually claim to believe their own rhetoric.

FYI to all smokies: You don't smoke because it is relaxing and a "great social activity". You smoke because your body is addicted to the nicotine and without it, you become agitated and irritable. YOU NEED A CIGARETTE TO RELAX. That's why quitting is so hard.

But you already know this. Does this make you "weak"? No. Just human. Why is it so hard to admit that smoking is an addiction??

Smoking is an addiction you're right. I've never argued otherwise. However working on servers most of the day is tiring and makes me tense. It always did and always will even before I started smoking. I can go many hours without a smoke without getting fidgety if I choose to, some smokers can't. Some need smoking just to survive they are so addicted. Others have self control and/or do not have as addictive of personalities.

Don't apply a generality to all smokers. Don't tell me non smokers don't get frustrated or tense during the day. Everyone does. If you don't work and just sit at home all day you might not understand.

[Ballardguy]

Smoking is an addiction you're right. I've never argued otherwise. However working on servers most of the day is tiring and makes me tense. It always did and always will even before I started smoking. I can go many hours without a smoke without getting fidgety if I choose to, some smokers can't. Some need smoking just to survive they are so addicted. Others have self control and/or do not have as addictive of personalities.

Don't apply a generality to all smokers. Don't tell me non smokers don't get frustrated or tense during the day. Everyone does. If you don't work and just sit at home all day you might not understand.

Dang! I thought I covered all the bases. I forgot about the "you must be unemployed" line!

And I loved the attempted twisting of "don't apply a generality". That was good. Smokies are addicted. That's reality. Why is that so hard for smokies to accept? They all love to spout off, "yeah, it can be addictive, but not for me! I choose to smoke....to relax and enjoy intellectual conversation!" I work hard...on servers*.

*i.e., I monitor the coffee shop to make sure everyone buys a cup of coffee for every half hour spent online. That is....when I not working on increasing my Dungeon Master power rating."

[Matt]

"Those who sign leases after Sept. 1 in any of the Sterling, Va., company's 49 apartment communities, including three in the Triangle, will agree not to smoke in the apartments. That goes for guests, too,"

http://www.newsobserver.com/104/story/468704.html

My head is getting this close to exploding from sheer joy.

<end of thread>

[Northbysoutheastseattle]

And I loved the attempted twisting of "don't apply a generality". That was good. Smokies are addicted. That's reality. Why is that so hard for smokies to accept? They all love to spout off, "yeah, it can be addictive, but not for me! I choose to smoke....to relax and enjoy intellectual conversation!" I work hard...on servers*.

*i.e., I monitor the coffee shop to make sure everyone buys a cup of coffee for every half hour spent online. That is....when I not working on increasing my Dungeon Master power rating."

1) I told you all smokers are addicted, I noted that some are addicted more than others. If you can't understand that- then this convo should end here

2) I work at Wallingford Research and Design in Bothell.

Here is our website http://www.wallingford.net/ I can be reached at Ext. 222. (I'd put the whole phone number but I would get thirty calls. The phone number is on the website).

Right now we are organizing the move of Hollywood videos servers up from Portland to Internap in Seattle.

I work on servers most of the day.

This. Will. Be. My. Last. Post. In. This. Thread.

[placid_panic]

ok, i got one question. What's pleasant or good about smoking? THis is an unbiased question. I don't care if you smoke or not. But what is the incentive to smoke? I'm not saying you've been fooled by commercials, or you're weak little addicts. I don't think either of those things. BUt seriously, why smoke?


By the way, this horse is not only dead, its been flayed, sent to the glue factory and is being used in a third grade classroom right now.


i smoke for the same reason i drink coffee or beer or eat food i know is bad for me. i like it. that's the incentive. people have been smoking a lot longer than there have been commercials. however, the appearance of commercials depicting people who smoke tobacco as stupid and disgusting seems to correlate with the recent antismoking trend.

[fawkes]

i smoke for the same reason i drink coffee or beer or eat food i know is bad for me. i like it. that's the incentive. people have been smoking a lot longer than there have been commercials. however, the appearance of commercials depicting people who smoke tobacco as stupid and disgusting seems to correlate with the recent antismoking trend.

well, with coffee, beer, and bad food, they at least taste good, and there are some positive effects. Coffee gives you a shot of energy, you can get buzzed (or wasted if you so choose) on beer, and bad food tastes really fucking good. cigarettes have none of that.

[placid_panic]

well, with coffee, beer, and bad food, they at least taste good, and there are some positive effects. Coffee gives you a shot of energy, you can get buzzed (or wasted if you so choose) on beer, and bad food tastes really fucking good. cigarettes have none of that.

taste is subjective. i like the taste of cigarettes and i enjoy the way smoking makes me feel. just as there are connoiseurs of fine coffee, beer and food there are people who love fine cigars and tobacco. also, many people don't like the taste of coffee or beer the first time they try them but come to enjoy those tastes. bad food is a little different because most of us are exposed to it from a young age. however, there are people who have eaten vegetarian diets for a long time and find the taste and feeling of eating meat to be unpleasant.

[fiona]

Fiona, as a fellow smoker, please refrain from reporting these bars on here. I know the urge to anger anti-smokers (such as matt) off, but I heard he got a warning for his juvenile namecalling, so in that department I think we're fine. They make a big enough fool of themselves for us to have to prove anything.

So if you do find a place, please share it with the smokers only, so they don't get reported :)


bullshit!!!!! if we're going to win it has to be seen by all both us and the Mattfucks, that this thing doesn't work. dont hide, shout from the rooftops

[BridgeTroll]

taste is subjective. i like the taste of cigarettes and i enjoy the way smoking makes me feel.

Let's see....7 down. 8 letter word for delusional smokie....starts with A.

Ah yes. Addicted.

[Mrt1212]

Remember this..

hitler was anti tobacco too.

and pro environment

and pro homosexual

and pro gun control

and pro abortion

and pro euthanasia




hitler was also

Patriotic

Nationalistic

Male

Heterosexual

White

Populist

so any analogy to hitler and liberals also should be levied against conservatives considering the preceding is what conservatives say they stand for.

[Mrt1212]

taste is subjective. i like the taste of cigarettes and i enjoy the way smoking makes me feel. just as there are connoiseurs of fine coffee, beer and food there are people who love fine cigars and tobacco. also, many people don't like the taste of coffee or beer the first time they try them but come to enjoy those tastes. bad food is a little different because most of us are exposed to it from a young age. however, there are people who have eaten vegetarian diets for a long time and find the taste and feeling of eating meat to be unpleasant.

if that were the case some smokers wouldnt prefer kool or newports over other higher quality brand cigs. its like saying alcoholics are such fans of fine alcohol they will have only the best when you know some would gladly drink hairspray.

lets face it, addicts prefer cheap and efficent ways of feeding their addiction and smoking cigs just happens to be that route.

[Mrt1212]

bullshit!!!!! if we're going to win it has to be seen by all both us and the Mattfucks, that this thing doesn't work. dont hide, shout from the rooftops

define "doesnt work" dummy. 90% compliance "doesnt work"?

[fawkes]

taste is subjective. i like the taste of cigarettes and i enjoy the way smoking makes me feel. just as there are connoiseurs of fine coffee, beer and food there are people who love fine cigars and tobacco. also, many people don't like the taste of coffee or beer the first time they try them but come to enjoy those tastes. bad food is a little different because most of us are exposed to it from a young age. however, there are people who have eaten vegetarian diets for a long time and find the taste and feeling of eating meat to be unpleasant.


ok cool. That seems to be the least defensive answer i've gotten, here and other places.

[Jimmy Flame]

if that were the case some smokers wouldnt prefer kool or newports over other higher quality brand cigs. its like saying alcoholics are such fans of fine alcohol they will have only the best when you know some would gladly drink hairspray.

lets face it, addicts prefer cheap and efficent ways of feeding their addiction and smoking cigs just happens to be that route.

Speak for yourself. Cheap? Not me. Efficient? When has smoking been efficient? I only get the best. Your just jealous because you can't. BTW- People who drink hairspray are the least of societys worries. They are already gone.

[Matt]

Speak for yourself. Cheap? Not me. Efficient? When has smoking been efficient? I only get the best. Your just jealous because you can't. BTW- People who drink hairspray are the least of societys worries. They are already gone.Hey, Jimmy, I can't remember if I shared this fact with you yet:

"Smokers had a 50 percent greater risk [to develop erectile dysfunction] than non-smokers."
The reason I bring this up is that your girlfriend was telling me the other day that you're starting to have "problems," if you catch my drift. She didn't want you to know I knew, so you didn't hear it from me.

<end of thread>

[fawkes]

Hey, Jimmy, I can't remember if I shared this fact with you yet:

"Smokers had a 50 percent greater risk [to develop erectile dysfunction] than non-smokers."
The reason I bring this up is that your girlfriend was telling me the other day that you're starting to have "problems," if you catch my drift. She didn't want you to know I knew, so you didn't hear it from me.

<end of thread>

Matt, i can understand your reasons for being a prick. you probably had mean parents or you're just a asshole. But why so stupid? Why repeat the same research over and over? I understand your fascination with Jimmy's penis as latent homosexuality, but why are you trying so hard to look like a jackass?

[Murder of Crows]

Oh God, this is rich. Snort. The trouble with smokies is that they actually claim to believe their own rhetoric.

FYI to all smokies: You don't smoke because it is relaxing and a "great social activity". You smoke because your body is addicted to the nicotine and without it, you become agitated and irritable. YOU NEED A CIGARETTE TO RELAX. That's why quitting is so hard.

But you already know this. Does this make you "weak"? No. Just human. Why is it so hard to admit that smoking is an addiction??

Because the argument that smoking is an addiction has been proven. Just like any number of substances including GASP... Food...

That argument is moot and the point is not the addiction here, it's the poorly written wording and the loops in the law hammered through by people who once again felt they needed to be "Kyle's Mom" and save everybody from themselves.

Unfortunately people seem to go after the obvious, instead of the not so obvious like obesity and the overabundance of food in the US contributing to 65% of Americans being overweight or obese.

I think that is ramping up to be the new killer of Americans, their own fat asses and inability to control their food addiction. And I beleive studies have shown it is set to overtake smoking as the new #1 killer in America

Should we sue or ban US Farmer's and from producing high carbohydrate foods? Sue Hostess for my addiction to twinkies?

The Public Health dept cannot enforce it because they dont have the means, and every police officer Ive talked to says the same thing.

"It's up to the health department to enforce, not us. We dont care."

[Matt]

Unfortunately people seem to go after the obvious, instead of the not so obvious like obesityBad analogy. Sitting next to a fat person doesn't increase my chances of getting cancer. Sitting next to someone who is smoking does. I could have sworn I've explained this before.

[Matt]

Matt, i can understand your reasons for being a prick. you probably had mean parents or you're just a [sic] asshole. But why so stupid? Why repeat the same research over and over? I understand your fascination with Jimmy's penis as latent homosexuality, but why are you trying so hard to look like a jackass?Hey, Fawkes, don't "anger me off." Remember what happens to mild-mannered Dr. David Banner when he gets irritated? Yeah. Except I don't turn green. I turn into a giant black "No Smoking" balloon. You've been warned.

<end of thread>

[fawkes]

Hey, Fawkes, don't "anger me off." Remember what happens to mild-mannered Dr. David Banner when he gets irritated? Yeah. Except I don't turn green. I turn into a giant black "No Smoking" balloon. You've been warned.

<end of thread>

dude you could turn into a balloon the size of the Empire State Building, I wouldn't give two shits. I'm also against smoking. So you once again look like a jackass.

[Ballardguy]

Because the argument that smoking is an addiction has been proven. Just like any number of substances including GASP... Food...

That argument is moot and the point is not the addiction here, it's the poorly written wording and the loops in the law hammered through by people who once again felt they needed to be "Kyle's Mom" and save everybody from themselves.
.....blah blah blah

Not sure what the hell you are talking about, but that's ok. Anyways, my perception at least, is that smokies will admit that smoking is addictive but then like to further elaborate that addiction is not really the reason they smoke (because they are special?). The smokie reason is usually clouded in terms such as..."I do it to relax" or "I work hard and need one to unwind" or "I smoke for social or conversational reasons" or "I'm just like a connoisseur of fine wines"....

None of them like to come out and say they smoke because they are addicted.

[Smalan Ithee]

Anyways, my perception at least, is that smokies will admit that smoking is addictive but then like to further elaborate that addiction is not really the reason they smoke (because they are special?). The smokie reason is usually clouded in terms such as..."I do it to relax" or "I work hard and need one to unwind" or "I smoke for social or conversational reasons" or "I'm just like a connoisseur of fine wines"....
None of them like to come out and say they smoke because they are addicted.Let me say emphatically I smoke because I'm addicted. I allowed myself to become addicted, and at this point I have not conjured up the willpower, stamina, whatever to quit for good. I am not proud of myself for being a smoker, and yet simultaneously enjoy lighting up. It's stupid and sucks, but is what it is.

Ok, enough with my pity party that has little to do w/ 901. How 'bout that upcoming post #2000, huh? Is that sheeee-it crazy or what?

[Jimmy Flame]

Hey, Jimmy, I can't remember if I shared this fact with you yet:

"Smokers had a 50 percent greater risk [to develop erectile dysfunction] than non-smokers."
The reason I bring this up is that your girlfriend was telling me the other day that you're starting to have "problems," if you catch my drift. She didn't want you to know I knew, so you didn't hear it from me.

<end of thread>

Which one told you that? It must've been your mom.

[Matt]

Which one told you that? It must've been your mom.Heh. Good one. You're not smart, but you have a good sense of humor. The difference between you and fawkes is that he doesn't have a sense of humor.

Btw, fawkes, you're starting to get on my nerves. I feel the metamorphosis beginning. Getting rounder as we speak.

Look, seriously, this thread is getting really lame. You all know damn well I will get #2000, so why don't you pro-cancer pussies just give it a rest? That's right. STFU.

<end of thread>

[Jimmy Flame]

Heh. Good one. You're not smart, but you have a good sense of humor. The difference between you and fawkes is that he doesn't have a sense of humor.

Btw, fawkes, you're starting to get on my nerves. I feel the metamorphosis beginning. Getting rounder as we speak.

Look, seriously, this thread is getting really lame. You all know damn well I will get #2000, so why don't you pro-cancer pussies just give it a rest? That's right. STFU.

<end of thread>

Speak for yourself. I'm a fuckin' genius! Pussy? I am what eat!

[Ballardguy]

Who do you think will get #2000?

[BridgeTroll]

I don’t know. Who do you think?

[Ballardguy]

Beats me…just as long as it isn’t Melle. J.

[BridgeTroll]

Yeah…he was really a blowhard.

[Ballardguy]

I loved it when he would get all “scholarly” and quote some bogus English researcher.

[BridgeTroll]

LOL. Hey, maybe Fiona will get it.

[Ballardguy]

Nah. She’s hot, but not real bright.

[BridgeTroll]

Yeah…she’s probably smoking at the RimRock

[Ballardguy]

What about Jimmy?

[BridgeTroll]

Nah….he’ll be like “dude, how did I miss this"??

[Ballardguy]

Hmmm….maybe Matt?

[BridgeTroll]

I think he wants it…but probably too busy studying up on penis disorders.

[Ballardguy]

What about that guy…northeastwest…something.

[BridgeTroll]

Nah. Too busy boring people about his server work.

[Ballardguy]

Well. Whoever gets it will be lucky. This was one hell of a ride.

[BridgeTroll]

One hell of a ride. Lots of smokie sob stories, lots of non-smokie arrogance. Nothing eloquent to say here...just thanks to all. This should be made into a book.

[Ballardguy]

The end. So long everyone.

Unless.....2,000 was just a myth. On to 3,000 everyone!

Question: How do you feel about the smoking ban?

[Jimmy Flame]

Thanks for the debate everyone. Can't wait until another ban happens now!!

[fawkes]

Heh. Good one. You're not smart, but you have a good sense of humor. The difference between you and fawkes is that he doesn't have a sense of humor.

Btw, fawkes, you're starting to get on my nerves. I feel the metamorphosis beginning. Getting rounder as we speak.

Look, seriously, this thread is getting really lame. You all know damn well I will get #2000, so why don't you pro-cancer pussies just give it a rest? That's right. STFU.

<end of thread>

Matt, as tough as you are, i don't think a latent homosexual with an obsession with Jimmy's dick is that terrifying. And I do have a sense of humor. I like Jim Gaffigan, and Dane Cook. Then again, they are funny, you're a prick living in his moms basement.

[Northbysoutheastseattle]

Nah. Too busy boring people about his server work.

Well we know what you were up to at 10PM on a Friday night.

[Murder of Crows]

Bad analogy. Sitting next to a fat person doesn't increase my chances of getting cancer. Sitting next to someone who is smoking does. I could have sworn I've explained this before.

First off why state the obvious?

Secondly obesity has long term health and medical costs which impact the consumer just as readily as smoking does in the long run

Bad analogy? Not really....the point was that this law was hammered through with little forethought, poorly written, and then approved by the people FOR THE PEOPLE that didnt want it.

So thank you Washington voters for deciding for me what's best for myself and everyone else for that matter. Give Washingtonians a little power and watch them run the gauntlet just like Kyle's mom on South Park and with almost the same results.

So considering that the law has little teeth and even less enforcement, pretty soon you will start to see adherence to the law erode, and then eventually Im sure that the law will be modified to some extent.

Look back on the law books where they tried to ban 'head shops' statewide. Eventually it turned into each city has their own right to regulate without state interference.

Have another Ho-Ho Matt and tell yourself 40% body fat is OK because at least your not smoking.

[BridgeTroll]

First off why state the obvious?

Secondly obesity has long term health and medical costs which impact the consumer just as readily as smoking does in the long run

Bad analogy? Not really....the point was that this law was hammered through with little forethought, poorly written, and then approved by the people FOR THE PEOPLE that didnt want it.

So thank you Washington voters for deciding for me what's best for myself and everyone else for that matter. Give Washingtonians a little power and watch them run the gauntlet just like Kyle's mom on South Park and with almost the same results.

So considering that the law has little teeth and even less enforcement, pretty soon you will start to see adherence to the law erode, and then eventually Im sure that the law will be modified to some extent.

Look back on the law books where they tried to ban 'head shops' statewide. Eventually it turned into each city has their own right to regulate without state interference.

Have another Ho-Ho Matt and tell yourself 40% body fat is OK because at least your not smoking.


Figure it out fatty. Your obesity really does not directly impact me, except when you try to wedge yourself on a bus seat. Second hand smoke does.

Next!

[Northbysoutheastseattle]

BridgeTroll

http://www.gay-marketing.com/mcouple.jpg

It seems like Matt is the alpha-male in your relationship. Is that because you're the weak one or is Matt just the "decider"? All those Friday nights alone left on the Stranger Forums.. was Matt out partying with those guys he swore were straight?

[BridgeTroll]

http://www.gay-marketing.com/mcouple.jpg

It seems like Matt is the alpha-male in your relationship. Is that because you're the weak one or is Matt just the "decider"? All those Friday nights alone left on the Stranger Forums.. was Matt out partying with those guys he swore were straight?

LMAO! Smokies are so predictable! When the ignorant ones have nothing else to contribute, they pull out the "gay" card! Oh, you must be so proud of yourself.

Oh wait....I forgot. You work on servers. Very linear, one dimensional thinkers. That explains alot.

[Northbysoutheastseattle]

Ah well, I have a great job that pays well (as posted earlier with the website and phone number), a cute girlfriend, spend my weekends outside of my house (you should try it; friday nights are actually where the goodtimes are to be had) and I enjoy smoking.

You- are nothing.

I'll sleep well tonight. Thank you- and goodnight.

Oh and by the way; my balls are gigantic and produce potent material. So much for your studies. *shrugs*

Peace!

[Jimmy Flame]

Figure it out fatty. Your obesity really does not directly impact me, except when you try to wedge yourself on a bus seat. Second hand smoke does.

Next!

I thought this thread was over. You sound like a fuckin' pussy ass bitch. Ohhhhhh, second hand smoke bugs me.... Get over it already. Theres like 2000+ comments about that. Lick my chocolate ass.

[kissydee]

As someone who has been both a smoker and a nonsmoker, I propose a compromise:

Allow bar/club owners to decide whether or not to allow smoking in their establishment. That way people who work in those industries could have a choice whether they want to deal with second hand smoke. This would also bring in smoker's business to those who do allow for it.

I believe the 25 foot from a building entrance is crap. In a busy area, you'd have to stand in the middle of the street. This would also be hard to enforce.....are the police going to carry around a tape measure? And don't they have more important things to do? When I smoke, I don't do it right in the doorway, I stand to the side (about 10 feet away). If someone is smoking right where others have to walk through, by all means ask them to move a bit. Also, I don't smoke at bus stops, etc., as a courtesy to others.

[placid_panic]

As someone who has been both a smoker and a nonsmoker, I propose a compromise:

Allow bar/club owners to decide whether or not to allow smoking in their establishment. That way people who work in those industries could have a choice whether they want to deal with second hand smoke. This would also bring in smoker's business to those who do allow for it.

I believe the 25 foot from a building entrance is crap. In a busy area, you'd have to stand in the middle of the street. This would also be hard to enforce.....are the police going to carry around a tape measure? And don't they have more important things to do? When I smoke, I don't do it right in the doorway, I stand to the side (about 10 feet away). If someone is smoking right where others have to walk through, by all means ask them to move a bit. Also, I don't smoke at bus stops, etc., as a courtesy to others.

oh, i get it. the thread doesn't end after two thousand posts, it just starts over.

[Jimmy Flame]

oh, i get it. the thread doesn't end after two thousand posts, it just starts over.

Think of it as a re-cap, but with other people who have nothing better to do! LOL...

[Mrt1212]

As someone who has been both a smoker and a nonsmoker, I propose a compromise:

Allow bar/club owners to decide whether or not to allow smoking in their establishment. That way people who work in those industries could have a choice whether they want to deal with second hand smoke. This would also bring in smoker's business to those who do allow for it.

I believe the 25 foot from a building entrance is crap. In a busy area, you'd have to stand in the middle of the street. This would also be hard to enforce.....are the police going to carry around a tape measure? And don't they have more important things to do? When I smoke, I don't do it right in the doorway, I stand to the side (about 10 feet away). If someone is smoking right where others have to walk through, by all means ask them to move a bit. Also, I don't smoke at bus stops, etc., as a courtesy to others.

How about this, bars and restaurants provide healthcare to their workers rather than the state

[DrOctopu5]

How about this, bars and restaurants provide healthcare to their workers rather than the state
That would be a great initiative!

On second thought, being progressive and constructive is much harder than being prohibitive. Not worth the trouble.

[Jimmy Flame]

How about this, bars and restaurants provide healthcare to their workers rather than the state

How about, the State doesn't "provide" healthcare anyway! Most establishments have plans that workers can buy. If not, it's real easy to get fellow employees together to buy into a plan.

[Matt]

One hell of a ride. Lots of smokie sob stories, lots of non-smokie arrogance. Nothing eloquent to say here...just thanks to all. This should be made into a book.Let the record show that BridgeTroll is the one who officially got #2000. I'm glad a non-smokie got the honor. Apparently, some immature wuss-ass (probably fawkes) deleted a few of their own posts after the fact to screw up the numbering.

BridgeTroll & Ballardguy: I thoroughly enjoyed your humorous pre-2000 dialog (especially because you mentioned me). It would have made a fitting ending. Unfortunately, a bunch of wuss-asses (north, fawkes, etc) have responded since then, forcing me to step in once again to school the weak minded. To wit . . .

[Matt]

Bad analogy? Not reallySure it was. Sitting next to a fat person doesn't increase my chances of getting cancer. Sitting next to someone who is smoking does. I could have sworn I've explained this before.

....the point was that this law was hammered through with little forethoughtNo, a lot of thought went into it.

poorly written,No, it was very well written.

and then approved by the people FOR THE PEOPLE that didnt want it.No, it was approved by the people who wanted it: nonsmokers.

So considering that the law has little teeth and even less enforcement,Wrong again. It is being vigorously enforced. Officials indicate that compliance is near 100%.

pretty soon you will start to see adherence to the law erode,No we won't.

and then eventually Im sure that the law will be modified to some extent.Ahh, you've finally said something correct. Yes, it will be modified. In a few years, we'll expand it from 25 feet to 50 feet. We'll probably also expand it to include hotel rooms. And we'll also expand it to include apartments because no one should have the right to spread their carcinogenic smoke into another person's home.

[Matt]

I thought this thread was over. You sound like a fuckin' pussy ass bitch. Ohhhhhh, second hand smoke bugs me.... Get over it already.Jimmy! You still alive? I figured the emphysema would have taken you by now.

Hey, Jimmy, nonsmokers "got over it" when 901 was passed. We don't have to worry about secondhand smoke anymore, don't cha know? It's you pussy-ass smoketards who have to get over your inability to smoke in public places. Through 901, I've dictated where and when you can smoke, punk. Get over that. Nyaaa haaa haaa!!!!!

Punk.

[Matt]

I propose a compromise: Allow bar/club owners to decide whether or not to allow smoking in their establishment.Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, no.

Likewise, we don't want to "compromise" and allow restaurant and bar owners to decide to allow asbestos in their ceiling insulation or feces in their drinking water. Thanks for playing, though.

Finally, I wanted to note that a month ago, I wrote to seattle.citysearch.com and told them that they no longer needed the "Smoking permitted" category for bars. They have since removed that category.

<end of thread>

[Murder of Crows]

Sure it was. Sitting next to a fat person doesn't increase my chances of getting cancer. Sitting next to someone who is smoking does. I could have sworn I've explained this before.

No but fat people on buses are usually stinky, sweaty and fart a lot, should I lobby to ban farting because it is subjecting me to microencapsulated fecal matter that is potentially dangerous to my health?

No, a lot of thought went into it.


I tend to disagree and so did a number of individuals including a lot of non-smokers and local writers with much better writing skills and degrees and such nonsense.

No, it was very well written. As well as some of Tim Eyman's I would say

No, it was approved by the people who wanted it: nonsmokers. More like people who use the law to hammer their opinion over the heads of what they dont like! Sorry try again Matty...

Wrong again. It is being vigorously enforced. Officials indicate that compliance is near 100%. What officials and who's statistics are you quoting? Enforced by who? Public Health officials? Assholes who stick their nose into other peoples business? Like you? And how many bars do you drive through downtown with people, 2 feet from the entrance? Because they moved the ACTUAL entrance 25' in, see how that circumvents the law.

No we won't. Really, and have you been here long enough to remember how head shops were banned from selling paraphenalia statewide about 12 years ago or so? A whole lot of people thought that was a great law, Gov Locke repealed that one and made it up to the cities to enforce. Which is why you cant buy a bong in Auburn, but you can in Seattle.

Just because this law passed doesnt mean it will stick. You know I think maybe I will start eating really gaseous foods all the times and fart at will, clear out the resturaunt, ...since that's offensive to poeple why not ban farting next? (and apparently we wont be able to ban brain farts like you)

Ahh, you've finally said something correct. Yes, it will be modified. In a few years, we'll expand it from 25 feet to 50 feet. We'll probably also expand it to include hotel rooms. And we'll also expand it to include apartments because no one should have the right to spread their carcinogenic smoke into another person's home.
[/QUOTE]
So how's that anal retentive self righteousness working for you? I bet your a hit at parties telling everyone how much they are damaging their liver with excessive alcohol consumption and how red meat clogs the colon.

And for you smokers...here's a dirty trick to play on non-smokers at a restaurant. Be prepared for all the dirty looks....

After dinner place a cigarette in your mouth and then sit there with a lighter in your hand.When someone is really glaring , look away and start playing with your lighter and laugh.

Then when they cant stand it and they say "There's no smoking in here"..

You can say....

Do I look like I am fucking smoking?

[fawkes]

Let the record show that BridgeTroll is the one who officially got #2000. I'm glad a non-smokie got the honor. Apparently, some immature wuss-ass (probably fawkes) deleted a few of their own posts after the fact to screw up the numbering.

BridgeTroll & Ballardguy: I thoroughly enjoyed your humorous pre-2000 dialog (especially because you mentioned me). It would have made a fitting ending. Unfortunately, a bunch of wuss-asses (north, fawkes, etc) have responded since then, forcing me to step in once again to school the weak minded. To wit . . .

1. Wuss-ass? thats the best you could come up with?
2. I didn't delete anything.
3. Again, wuss-ass? and worse than that, twice?
4. I had no problem with BT getting the "honor" of 2000. Congrats, Bridge. I thought it was a fitting ending also.
5. Weak-minded. Funny coming from the dude who's argument against smoking was "your dick gets smaller, and you smell bad!"

[fawkes]

Sure it was. Sitting next to a fat person doesn't increase my chances of getting cancer. Sitting next to someone who is smoking does. I could have sworn I've explained this before.

No, a lot of thought went into it.

No, it was very well written.

No, it was approved by the people who wanted it: nonsmokers.

Wrong again. It is being vigorously enforced. Officials indicate that compliance is near 100%.

No we won't.

Ahh, you've finally said something correct. Yes, it will be modified. In a few years, we'll expand it from 25 feet to 50 feet. We'll probably also expand it to include hotel rooms. And we'll also expand it to include apartments because no one should have the right to spread their carcinogenic smoke into another person's home.

Matt, what is the point of a post that only restates what the original poster said, but this time in the negative?

[Northbysoutheastseattle]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=k1NZThEtMhg

Imagine Matt without about 20 pounds and you have Rob Reiner.

[Matt]

[same old arguments]You have said nothing new. There are more than 2,000 posts on this thread, of which I've contributed more than 10 percent. All arguments against 901 have been crushed. Repeatedly. If you want to catch up, please start reading from the beginning. I'm not going to repeat myself.

[Matt]

Matt, what is the point of a post that only restates what the original poster said, but this time in the negative?Oh, you mean the part where I agreed with the previous poster? Like this: "Ahh, you've finally said something correct. Yes, it will be modified." That's a positive response, not a negative one. In addition, I expanded on the comment, not simply restated it, as follows:

"In a few years, we'll expand it from 25 feet to 50 feet. We'll probably also expand it to include hotel rooms. And we'll also expand it to include apartments because no one should have the right to spread their carcinogenic smoke into another person's home."
I corrected the previous poster's errors, disseminated new information, and provided a glimpse into the future. All for free. You're welcome.

One wonders what the point of your post was.

[Matt]

Weak-minded. Funny coming from the dude who's argument against smoking was "your dick gets smaller, and you smell bad!"Those were only two of many arguments that I offered. Besides, the direct correlation between smoking and impotence and between smoking and stinkiness are completely valid arguments. In fact, Jimmy Flame gave up smoking in response to those very arguments. Smoking was beginning to adversely affect his "social" activities, if you know what I mean.

<end of thread>

[fawkes]

Those were only two of many arguments that I offered. Besides, the direct correlation between smoking and impotence and between smoking and stinkiness are completely valid arguments. In fact, Jimmy Flame gave up smoking in response to those very arguments. Smoking was beginning to adversely affect his "social" activities, if you know what I mean.

<end of thread>

Matt, i'm done talking to you, considering you are a gigantic prick. But before I do stop talking to you, because of your being a gigantic prick, i need to know something. What exactly is the motivation for you to stop people from smoking in every bar? Why can't there be a compromise? Like, i don't know, letting owners choose, and then making sure its decision is clearly marked somewhere on the front of the establishment? THat would make sure you can't hurt your precious lungs, and lets people choose whether or not they can smoke. Think people have suggested this before.

but you could never let that happen. Your need to control people's choices is not surprising, but is a little disturbing. Just wondering why you seem to think its so necessary.

[Matt]

Matt, i'm done talking to you, considering you are a gigantic prick.Translation: "Matt keeps crushing all my arguments, so I'm going to run off like a sissy." We'll see if you keep your word. I doubt you can.

What exactly is the motivation for you to stop people from smoking in every bar?Please see my previous 250+ posts, which cogently explain why 901 was a great idea. I don't repeat myself.

<end of thread>

[Gaines]

I see Matt is still queer, I mean here..

What about the nonsmokers who are exposed to secondhand smoke everyday in their homes Matt? Are you fighting for their rights? What about the thousands and thousands of maids 'forced' to clean motel and hotel rooms where people smoke? Nope, you're only in it because YOU don't like tobacco smoke when you're eating/at the 'ol gay bar.

This is such a prissy, look at me I'm pampered, elitist law. Perfectly suited for the Starbucks-drinking faggots who wrote, drafted and enforce this policy.

[Matt]

I see Matt is still queer, I mean here..Hello, Gaines! Thanks for writing. Your name sounds familiar. Ahh, yes. Gaines. I previously put you in my "People Who Sound Retarded" file.

What about the nonsmokers who are exposed to secondhand smoke everyday in their homes Matt?Funny you should ask. When I lived in an apartment, I asked the apt management to ban smoking on balconies because the guy next to me smoked on his balcony and the smoke drifted into my apartment. Turns out I was ahead of my time. Apartments are just now starting to protect nonsmokers. One owner on the east coast is banning smoking in 90+ apartment complexes. That is awesome!!!!

Are you fighting for their rights? What about the thousands and thousands of maids 'forced' to clean motel and hotel rooms where people smoke?I'd gladly sign a petition and vote for an initiative that banned smoking in all hotels. Fortunately, it looks like it may eventually be a moot point. Westin (where I recently stayed and thoroughly enjoyed the fresh air) and Marriott banned smoking in all of their hotels. All others will soon follow. That is awesome!!!!!!!!!

Nope, you're only in it because YOU don't like tobacco smoke when you're eating/at the 'ol gay bar.I don't like the smoke, but it's mostly for the workers. Most workers in smoke-filled places --- bars, casinos, etc. --- want to work in a smokefree environment.

This is such a prissy, look at me I'm pampered, elitist law. Perfectly suited for the Starbucks-drinking faggots who wrote, drafted and enforce this policy.I don't drink coffee. And while some people donate blood, I donate testosterone. So your bigoted homophobic comments are misdirected.

This is now, officially, the end of this thread. I talked to the moderators and they agreed to delete any messages sent after this one. Thanks, everyone.

901 passed.

<end of thread>

[Melle]

This is now, officially, the end of this thread. I talked to the moderators and they agreed to delete any messages sent after this one.

Just checking to see if this is true ...

(BTW, to Gaines etc.---what's with the gay-bashing? You're making yourselves look like complete assholes.)

[Northbysoutheastseattle]

This is now, officially, the end of this thread. I talked to the moderators and they agreed to delete any messages sent after this one.

Oh, so the same moderators that warned you for childish behavior?

Just checking to see if this is true ...

Don't worry. Despite the fact that he has been here a while; he pulls zero weight.

I previously put you in my "People Who Sound Retarded" file.

Brilliant Matt. Brilliant.

[Smalan Ithee]

(BTW, to Gaines etc.---what's with the gay-bashing? You're making yourselves look like complete assholes.)
Thank you, Melle. Say what you will or think what you want about Matt's comments, style or name-calling - hell, even his supporters have probably wanted to throttle him at one time or another. However, the whole gay bashing thing has been going on for a bit and isn't really helping anyone's cause. In addition to not being funny.

[Matt]

Yes, it will be modified. In a few years, we'll expand it from 25 feet to 50 feet. We'll probably also expand it to include hotel rooms. And we'll also expand it to include apartments because no one should have the right to spread their carcinogenic smoke into another person's home.I forgot to mention that we'll soon expand the smoking ban to also include your car:
SACRAMENTO - Californians who smoke in motor vehicles carrying young children could be slapped with $100 fines under a bill approved Monday by the state Senate. (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/15384365.htm)
Bwaaaa haaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!

Btw, at my request, the moderators delayed implementation of the aforementioned termination of this thread because I needed to let you all know about this great news. I swear my head will explode if there is any more awesome news like this.

Now it's the end of the thread.

<end of thread>

[qwerty]

This just in from the wires. the tobacco industry is boosting the addicitve properties of cigarettes. "more addictive than herion" is not good enough anymore.


cut and pasted below:

The level of nicotine that smokers typically consume per cigarette has risen about 10 percent in the past six years, making it harder to quit and easier to get hooked, according to a new report released Tuesday by the Massachusetts Department of Health.
The study shows a steady climb in the amount of nicotine delivered to the lungs of smokers regardless of brand, with overall nicotine yields increasing by about 10 percent.
Massachusetts is one of three states to require tobacco companies to submit information about nicotine testing according to its specifications and the only state with data going back to 1998.
Public Health Commissioner Paul Cote Jr. called the findings "significant."

[Melle]

This just in from the wires. the tobacco industry is boosting the addicitve properties of cigarettes. "more addictive than herion" is not good enough anymore.


cut and pasted below:

The level of nicotine that smokers typically consume per cigarette has risen about 10 percent in the past six years, making it harder to quit and easier to get hooked, according to a new report released Tuesday by the Massachusetts Department of Health.
The study shows a steady climb in the amount of nicotine delivered to the lungs of smokers regardless of brand, with overall nicotine yields increasing by about 10 percent.
Massachusetts is one of three states to require tobacco companies to submit information about nicotine testing according to its specifications and the only state with data going back to 1998.
Public Health Commissioner Paul Cote Jr. called the findings "significant."

Yet another reason to avoid Big Tobacco's products. Once again let me urge smokers to find a good tobacconist, get organic tobacco (preferably from Virginia), and roll their own. Or if you've got a high-paying job, buy Nat Sherman's. But avoid the corporate brands, which (a) are made of "tobacco" like a Big Mac is made of "beef," and (b) will put a very deep and nasty hook into you, as anyone who's made a habit of them knows.

And BTW, this is yet another reason to support FDA regulation of tobacco. Not the ineffectual regulatory proposal that Philip Morris and the Tobacco-Free Kids are supporting, but real FDA regulation. Without that, it's apparently too much to ask that the tobacco co.s keep things like, oh let's see, cyanide (?!) out of our smokes ....

[Jimmy Flame]

Are we done with this yet? Everyone knows that everyone will continue to disagree.

[DrOctopu5]

Are we done with this yet? Everyone knows that everyone will continue to disagree.
I haven't met everyone yet. *fooo*

[Gaines]

Yes, that maybe, but I am a complete asshole.

Ah, nothing like smoking two unfiltered cigarettes at once in a room with 9 children, 12 pregnant women

Life is good in Wyoming! :-D

[Matt]

Yet another reason to avoid Big Tobacco's products.I agree with Melle.

<end of thread>

[Smalan Ithee]

I agree with Melle.

<end of thread>Um, I'm not sure, but I think this is one of the signs of the apocalypse.

[Melle]

Um, I'm not sure, but I think this is one of the signs of the apocalypse.

You're correct.

Revelations 16:12--23: "And lo, I seeth a man who haveth a stick up his ass. His frame is sickly and humped, and his face is like unto a shaven monkey twat, and his flesh is like unto a tiny worm, and this man despiseth the smoking of tobacco.

"And his name is the name of an Apostle. But he doth lie.

"And his mother is a whore who taketh it in the ass. And he despiseth her, because she will not give it up to him for free; lo, she will not even sit on his face for free.

"So he payeth his mother, but in fury grinds his teeth.

"And lo, at the sight of this man seven trumpets sounded in the heavens, and a voice cried, 'When this uptight pissant motherfucker voices his agreement with The Love Enormous, the Ambassador of Ecstasy, Dr. Hard-On, the Man with the Golden Dong, etc., known as Melle Mel to every madamoiselle; when Matt proclaims their agreement to all, then shall the temple fall in ruins, the horsemen burst alame, the heavens unfurl, the stars descend, the scrolls explode, the lizards leap, the swans swim, and the hedgerows bustle. And then shall pass all things.' Here is wisdom."

[Smalan Ithee]

Melle, you owe me a new keyboard. Mine's ruined from the coffee spit-take. :)

[Northbysoutheastseattle]

You're correct.

Revelations 16:12--23: "And lo, I seeth a man who haveth a stick up his ass. His frame is sickly and humped, and his face is like unto a shaven monkey twat, and his flesh is like unto a tiny worm, and this man despiseth the smoking of tobacco.

"And his name is the name of an Apostle. But he doth lie.

"And his mother is a whore who taketh it in the ass. And he despiseth her, because she will not give it up to him for free; lo, she will not even sit on his face for free.

"So he payeth his mother, but in fury grinds his teeth.

"And lo, at the sight of this man seven trumpets sounded in the heavens, and a voice cried, 'When this uptight pissant motherfucker voices his agreement with The Love Enormous, the Ambassador of Ecstasy, Dr. Hard-On, the Man with the Golden Dong, etc., known as Melle Mel to every madamoiselle; when Matt proclaims their agreement to all, then shall the temple fall in ruins, the horsemen burst alame, the heavens unfurl, the stars descend, the scrolls explode, the lizards leap, the swans swim, and the hedgerows bustle. And then shall pass all things.' Here is wisdom."

Post of the year.

[Jimmy Flame]

Yay! Smoking forum still going!

[NinjaNoodles]

You're correct.

Revelations 16:12--23: "And lo, I seeth a man who haveth a stick up his ass. His frame is sickly and humped, and his face is like unto a shaven monkey twat, and his flesh is like unto a tiny worm, and this man despiseth the smoking of tobacco.

"And his name is the name of an Apostle. But he doth lie.

"And his mother is a whore who taketh it in the ass. And he despiseth her, because she will not give it up to him for free; lo, she will not even sit on his face for free.

"So he payeth his mother, but in fury grinds his teeth.

"And lo, at the sight of this man seven trumpets sounded in the heavens, and a voice cried, 'When this uptight pissant motherfucker voices his agreement with The Love Enormous, the Ambassador of Ecstasy, Dr. Hard-On, the Man with the Golden Dong, etc., known as Melle Mel to every madamoiselle; when Matt proclaims their agreement to all, then shall the temple fall in ruins, the horsemen burst alame, the heavens unfurl, the stars descend, the scrolls explode, the lizards leap, the swans swim, and the hedgerows bustle. And then shall pass all things.' Here is wisdom."

HAHAHA, I don't even know who you people are, or how I even found this site, but I joined just to tell you how hilarious that post was.

Good day.

[Jimmy Flame]

We must keep the thread alive! BRB... Gotta' go get some CIGS!!!!

[Smalan Ithee]

We must keep the thread alive! BRB... Gotta' go get some CIGS!!!!There was an article in the other weekly "alternative" paper last week, business owners who've taken a hit interviewed, State legislators pondering whether to attempt an amendment, etc. I dare not mention the paper, link to the article, or give the title or said article - just in case that's an offense that results in an immediate ban from the forums.

JF - Have you run into the same bus driver after the smoking incident?

[Jimmy Flame]

No. I haven't even gotten a ride on the bus since. It was quite embarrasing. And the funniest part about that is, I don't get embarrased. ???

[Matt]

We must keep the thread alive! BRB... Gotta' go get some CIGS!!!!You whore! Why didn't you let this thread die??

To punish you, I will now be forced to provide some substantive pro-901 information (http://www.kndo.com/Global/story.asp?S=5499375&nav=menu484_2_8):

The American Lung Association of Washington says the state smoking ban in bars and restaurants has resulted in a significant decrease in indoor air pollution. . . . It found an 88 percent decrease in air pollutants.

That is awesome. 901 is wonderful!!!

[Matt]

There was an article in the other weekly "alternative" paper last week, business owners who've taken a hit interviewedOh, boo hoo!!! One or two businesses have lost a few hundred bucks (while many others have seen increased profits). Waaaa! Meanwhile, "the effects of secondhand smoke on nonsmokers in the United States cost nearly $6 billion in medical and economic costs in 2004 according to an actuarial study (http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/10-03-2006/0004444715&EDATE%3E%20&STORY=/www/story/10-03-2006/0004444715&EDATE)."

Let's see, a few hundred vs. $6 billion. Hmmm.... Yeah, the pros of 901 far outweigh the cons.

State legislators pondering whether to attempt an amendment, etc. They'll think twice after I show up in their offices with my black balloons. I can assure you that if these moron legislators weaken 901 in the slightest, they won't get reelected.

<end of thread>

[Smalan Ithee]

They'll think twice after I show up in their offices with my black balloons. I can assure you that if these moron legislators weaken 901 in the slightest, they won't get reelected.

<end of thread>Yeah, I'm sure they're shaking in their boots and pissing themselves. In case you've forgotten, Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles sponsored a bill to require that cigarettes sold in WA be self-extinguishing (http://www.komotv.com/news/story.asp?id=40958). She had previously co-sponsored a bill banning smoking within 35 feet of public places (http://www.leg.wa.gov/pub/billinfo/2005-06/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Bills/5114.pdf). She's a huge advocate for children's issues & education in this state. Rep. (and Speaker of the House) Frank Chopp (D) was quoted as saying the 25 foot ban was "ridiculous". But hey, if you want to bully a couple of high-ranking Democrats representing Seattle over their suggestions that the ban has room for compromise, be my guest. And good luck with that.

[Northbysoutheastseattle]

Originally Posted by Melle
You're correct.

Revelations 16:12--23: "And lo, I seeth a man who haveth a stick up his ass. His frame is sickly and humped, and his face is like unto a shaven monkey twat, and his flesh is like unto a tiny worm, and this man despiseth the smoking of tobacco.

"And his name is the name of an Apostle. But he doth lie.

"And his mother is a whore who taketh it in the ass. And he despiseth her, because she will not give it up to him for free; lo, she will not even sit on his face for free.

"So he payeth his mother, but in fury grinds his teeth.

"And lo, at the sight of this man seven trumpets sounded in the heavens, and a voice cried, 'When this uptight pissant motherfucker voices his agreement with The Love Enormous, the Ambassador of Ecstasy, Dr. Hard-On, the Man with the Golden Dong, etc., known as Melle Mel to every madamoiselle; when Matt proclaims their agreement to all, then shall the temple fall in ruins, the horsemen burst alame, the heavens unfurl, the stars descend, the scrolls explode, the lizards leap, the swans swim, and the hedgerows bustle. And then shall pass all things.' Here is wisdom."


Originally Posted by Melle
You're correct.

Revelations 16:12--23: "And lo, I seeth a man who haveth a stick up his ass. His frame is sickly and humped, and his face is like unto a shaven monkey twat, and his flesh is like unto a tiny worm, and this man despiseth the smoking of tobacco.

"And his name is the name of an Apostle. But he doth lie.

"And his mother is a whore who taketh it in the ass. And he despiseth her, because she will not give it up to him for free; lo, she will not even sit on his face for free.

"So he payeth his mother, but in fury grinds his teeth.

"And lo, at the sight of this man seven trumpets sounded in the heavens, and a voice cried, 'When this uptight pissant motherfucker voices his agreement with The Love Enormous, the Ambassador of Ecstasy, Dr. Hard-On, the Man with the Golden Dong, etc., known as Melle Mel to every madamoiselle; when Matt proclaims their agreement to all, then shall the temple fall in ruins, the horsemen burst alame, the heavens unfurl, the stars descend, the scrolls explode, the lizards leap, the swans swim, and the hedgerows bustle. And then shall pass all things.' Here is wisdom."

Originally Posted by Melle
You're correct.

Revelations 16:12--23: "And lo, I seeth a man who haveth a stick up his ass. His frame is sickly and humped, and his face is like unto a shaven monkey twat, and his flesh is like unto a tiny worm, and this man despiseth the smoking of tobacco.

"And his name is the name of an Apostle. But he doth lie.

"And his mother is a whore who taketh it in the ass. And he despiseth her, because she will not give it up to him for free; lo, she will not even sit on his face for free.

"So he payeth his mother, but in fury grinds his teeth.

"And lo, at the sight of this man seven trumpets sounded in the heavens, and a voice cried, 'When this uptight pissant motherfucker voices his agreement with The Love Enormous, the Ambassador of Ecstasy, Dr. Hard-On, the Man with the Golden Dong, etc., known as Melle Mel to every madamoiselle; when Matt proclaims their agreement to all, then shall the temple fall in ruins, the horsemen burst alame, the heavens unfurl, the stars descend, the scrolls explode, the lizards leap, the swans swim, and the hedgerows bustle. And then shall pass all things.' Here is wisdom."

[Jimmy Flame]

You whore! Why didn't you let this thread die??

To punish you, I will now be forced to provide some substantive pro-901 information (http://www.kndo.com/Global/story.asp?S=5499375&nav=menu484_2_8):

The American Lung Association of Washington says the state smoking ban in bars and restaurants has resulted in a significant decrease in indoor air pollution. . . . It found an 88 percent decrease in air pollutants.

That is awesome. 901 is wonderful!!!



Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

[Matt]

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!Do you think this is funny:

"It is now looking into banning smoking outside West End bars and even making entire streets smoke free."
http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?story=TR929873L&news_headline=smoking_ban_could_be_extended_to_pav ements

This is a great idea! I think I'll chat with my BustaMove Anti-Smoke Posse and see if we can get the legislature to expand 901 to include any street that houses a restaurant or bar. What an awesome idea!!!

Thanks for inspiring me, Jimmy!

<end of thread>

[breather]

Hey there dimbulb smokies, just want to let you know that your last stronghold, the Dimrock, I mean Rimrock Tavern has been whipped into submission. No more smoking there either.

[Smalan Ithee]

Hey there dimbulb smokies, just want to let you know that your last stronghold, the Dimrock, I mean Rimrock Tavern has been whipped into submission. No more smoking there either.Wow, that's great news. Considering most of the folks you call dimbulb didn't go there in the first place. I sincerely hope the business is supported through a hefty bill rung up by every person who never visited the joint, yet complained about their rebellion.

[Jimmy Flame]

Hahahahahaaa!! This thread will never die!

[Smalan Ithee]

Hahahahahaaa!! This thread will never die!Hey Jimmy, thanks for keeping it going. And speaking of smokin', you have a show this week right?

[tiktok]

The folks who keep saying "business owners should be able to decide" can keep on repeating that until the cows come home, but it's not going to change the fact that now the law does not allow that. If you really want to change things, you need to redirect some of that energy towards putting together another bill or striking down the existing law, otherwise you're shit out of luck.

It's going to be an uphill battle now that people have gotten a taste of smoke-free nightlife and entertainment and seen that the restaurant and bar industry hasn't gone under as a result of the smoking ban. Your argument has to be something like "I really like doing something annoys the hell out of the rest of you--can't a smelly nicotine addict get a break?" People have no trouble banning certain behaviors just because they're annoying or distasteful, and smoking is now firmly in that category.

[Jimmy Flame]

tiktok- Annoying the "rest of you"? OK pussy. Whatever.

Smalan Ithee - Not sure when my next show is. I'm working on some other stuff right now, as well as my band. I'll let ya' know as soon as I know!

Matt - Your welcome. You can still go fuck yourself.

Breather - Last stronghold? I think not. The last stronghold is you smokin' my weiner.

[almonit]

Ah yes, the poor, the stupid, and the young, still addicted and ranting that it's some kind of sacred civil right to spew the stuff into others' breathing space. Nope. Not sexy anymore, sorry.

[Matt]

Happy Birthday to 901!
Happy Birthday to 901!
Happy Biiiirth-daaay to 9-oh-wuuuh-uuuun!
Happy Birthday to 901!!!!

And many more . . .

[Jimmy Flame]

Ah yes, the poor, the stupid, and the young, still addicted and ranting that it's some kind of sacred civil right to spew the stuff into others' breathing space. Nope. Not sexy anymore, sorry.

Yup. Killing all the white mans air.

[fawkes]

why the hell is this thread still on? Jesus Christ, people, give it up!

[Jimmy Flame]

Nnnoooooooooooo!!!!

[Smittles]

I used to smoke, pretty much right up until the smoking ban. I quit shortly after it went into effect, with maybe a drag or two off of a friend's cig sometimes. The smoking ban makes it possible for me to go out and not smoke, and I will put a thousand bans on ballots if it means a horrible, deadly, disgusting "habit" is lain to rest. Fuck smokers for even suggesting they should be allowed to smoke indoors in the first place. It's smoke. It doesn't take a genius to realize smoke should be outdoors, where fire is safe.

Don't be retarded.

[darleneclemintine]

now that i have become used to a smoke free seattle i have become annoyed as heck at my boy friend when i come into the house and have the breath that nasty ugly smokey air. i used to put up with it without thinking a whole lot about it. now the smell, the nasty lingering film on my hair and clothes is enough to gag me. i did not vote for the ban but i love it.

[fawkes]

I think Smittles makes an excellent point. And I think it makes a fitting end to this thread. With that, I hereby terminate this thread. Thanks, everyone. 901 passed.

<end of thread>


get fucked Matt. I'd rather argue both sides myself with no one else than allow you to end the thread.

[Smittles]

I think Smittles makes an excellent point. And I think it makes a fitting end to this thread. With that, I hereby terminate this thread. Thanks, everyone. 901 passed.

<end of thread>
What the hell is going on in this thread?

[poochiekafelnikov]

ahh yes....white dog poo. remember it well. it sometimes developed a complex webbing on its skin. possibly the early stages of fossilization. it was virtually benign to the senses, enough so that you could pick it up and hurl it, when dirtclods, apples, eggs, rocks, or snowballs weren't available. a young neighbor girl would incorporate it into some sort of right of passage tea ceremony. benetramseyesque dresses were worn as I recall. while they pretended to drink its broth, we would hurl it at them grenade like...shrieks and alto-chuckles would fill the air. white poo fired our collective imaginations and helped to foster our socialization skills. pecked my first girl on the cheek with a piece of it in my shortpants pocket. so many rituals lost on this generation.

[Matt]

Fuck smokers . . .I think Smittles makes an excellent point. And I think it makes a fitting end to this thread. With that, I hereby terminate this thread. Thanks, everyone. 901 passed.

<end of thread>

[neilb]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003574768_tobaccotax16m.html

[JJoeR]

can we please just stop bitching about the smoking ban? There may have been good points made, 300 posts ago, but by now, all we have is Matt whining and other people popping in to insult people from the other side of the fence. Shut. Up. Stop.

[Darthfather]

Good point. The topic has changed into something else. Some guys have changed it into a “no man’s land.” They are prisoners in this topic but the real fight seems to be over. “It’s closing time” as Cohen said.

[breather]

Matt, Maggie, Ballard Guy,

A call to arms here. King's Hardware on Ballard Ave has set up a smoking deck right outside the back door. They've taken down all the no smoking signs and put ashtrays on the tables.

Let's slap these people down before they get up and running.

Breather

[HappyNowhere]

actually the smoking ban may not be as long lived as y'all think. lack of tax revenues.

[breather]

actually the smoking ban may not be as long lived as y'all think. lack of tax revenues.

Silence bumpkin, you're a couple of years behind the curve here.

[Jimmy Flame]

Just got back from MD and Virginia. Smokes are still about $2 - $2.50 a pack. You can smoke in the airport at Dulles. You can get drunk as fuck on 10 bucks at a bar. Oh yeah, and they turned down, once again, new cig taxes AND a smoking ban in VA and MD. Wow! It feels good to know that pussies can't rule the entire world just yet.

[ya_right]

Just got back from MD and Virginia. Smokes are still about $2 - $2.50 a pack. You can smoke in the airport at Dulles. You can get drunk as fuck on 10 bucks at a bar. Oh yeah, and they turned down, once again, new cig taxes AND a smoking ban in VA and MD. Wow! It feels good to know that pussies can't rule the entire world just yet.

ya, it's also heartening to know that pussies still have the right to at least cry about having their smoking privilege impeded. Hey, and only $2 - $2.50 a pack to get cancer, fuckin-a, that's a deal. And drunk as fuck for only $10 ?! It must be sweet in the winners circle. Thank god stupidity is still free.

[breather]

Just got back from MD and Virginia. Smokes are still about $2 - $2.50 a pack. You can smoke in the airport at Dulles. You can get drunk as fuck on 10 bucks at a bar. Oh yeah, and they turned down, once again, new cig taxes AND a smoking ban in VA and MD. Wow! It feels good to know that pussies can't rule the entire world just yet.

"Yet" is the keyword there, Flamer. Ten yrs ago the WA State Legislature was considering and rejecting smoking bans. You people will be banned everywhere in time, though it will obviously take longer in states that once fought for the right to own slaves.

NEWSFLASH:

Linda Derschang (sp?) has decided to take on the smoking ban. Both of her bars, Linda's and Kings Hardware, have declared their decks to be smokie havens. The no smoking signs have actually been replaced with ashtrays, for chrissakes!
One customized smackdown coming up!!!!

[Jimmy Flame]

ya_right
Getting drunk = stupid? Ha! I guess theres a lot of dumb mother fuckers around! Keep thumping your bible buddy.

Breather-
I don't recall MD ever "fighting" to have slaves. Where do you think John Brown's cave lead to? It went from Harpers Ferry, W.VA all the way into MD. Why? Because once you got into MD, you were free. Same with the underground railroad and the countless other paths to freedom. They ended up in Maryland. Don't give me that shit. MD at the time was an independent state. And fuckin' John Brown had balls. So lick my Maryland bread ASS.

[Jimmy Flame]

One more thing. Maryland was a FREE STATE bitch.

[ya_right]

ya_right
Getting drunk = stupid? Ha! I guess theres a lot of dumb mother fuckers around! Keep thumping your bible buddy.
.

Well, I should have been more clear and I'm actually drunk right now. I don't actually mean getting drunk qualifies one as stupid, or necessarily smoking. You'll have to excuse me for the ambiguous statement. What I meant to say is that you are stupid.

I'll try to be more clear next time.
Cheers!

[Jimmy Flame]

Well, I should have been more clear and I'm actually drunk right now. I don't actually mean getting drunk qualifies one as stupid, or necessarily smoking. You'll have to excuse me for the ambiguous statement. What I meant to say is that you are stupid.

I'll try to be more clear next time.
Cheers!

You don't even know me. But your stupider.

[ya_right]

You don't even know me. But your stupider.

stupidest, absolutely most omni stupid behemoth of complete stupidom, more stupid than any and all others, for then, for now, and for the foreseeable forever. So very stupid that it's risky even talking about it, as the stupidness is so dense as to create a black hole of stupid with extreme powers to suck in thoughts and even the keyboards that relate those thoughts and ideas, and capable of rendering humans unable to generate enough electrochemical brain wave activity to even support the non voluntary functions and to pull those with such speed as to cause blue-shift stupidness and to also bend light that was unfortunate enough to travel within the growing, throbbing range of the stupid belt effect causing friction which heats the stupid which causes the stupidness to react more quickly which in turn generates more heat and further accelerating the stupidness in a self perpetuating, self fueling chain reaction of stupidity that continues the cycle until reaching critical stupid mass which, at that very moment, triggers a massive nuclear level explosion of stupidity, also known as thermonuclear stupidity which will quickly super-stupor-nova and finally spark a stable, continuous, sun of stupid energy which in turn will, given enough density of material and proximity to clouds of free dust plasma, form planets to become a stupid solar system climaxing in the screech of an unfamiliar flying reptile souring above the untouched wild birth terrain of a stupid planet with you beneath a massive body of vegetative tree like growth forming jungle, sitting on the porch with a beer and an ashtray, master of the planet stupid.
amen.

End Of Thread.

yessssss.

[Jimmy Flame]

Fuckin-A... Gimmie some of that stupid shit your smoking! Or shooting up or whatever. I want some. Especially since I've been totally fucking enlightened. Wow! Thanks your stupidness!

[ya_right]

Fuckin-A... Gimmie some of that stupid shit your smoking! Or shooting up or whatever. I want some. Especially since I've been totally fucking enlightened. Wow! Thanks your stupidness!

get your own damn stupidity! You'll just have to admire mine from a distance. In the wrong hands it can be dangerous; one day you'll see that without being stupid enough to generate such brilliant stupidity, you'd only hurt yourself. It is, in fact, that journey down the path of stupidness that gives those stupid enough to wonder the tools to safely wield the stupidity of its destination.

I have gone to the contemporary limit of all aggregate stupidity which encompasses the entire human experience of stupid evolution, unintentional and purposefully. Implicit and explicit. Earned and inherent.
I have achieved total stupidness.
If there is anyone that knows of a stupid more complete, let them speak up now.

...for I am humanity's current guardian of stupid.
...for that stupid is me.
(..i flail )

[Jimmy Flame]

Journey down the path of stupidness? Fuck! I must be a genius!

[ya_right]

Journey down the path of stupidness? Fuck! I must be a genius!

Well, it's not entirely your fault. Are we not all just a mirror of our society.

And BTW, I don't want you to look at me as a god or some untouchable entity. Just think of me as the stupid that you yourself could one day be. Think of me as every persons potential stupidity, but all encapsulated in one humble person. Think of me as the Super Jesus of a stupid world.
In a stupid time.
So stupid.

[Jimmy Flame]

Well, it's not entirely your fault. Are we not all just a mirror of our society.

And BTW, I don't want you to look at me as a god or some untouchable entity. Just think of me as the stupid that you yourself could one day be. Think of me as every persons potential stupidity, but all encapsulated in one humble person. Think of me as the Super Jesus of a stupid world.
In a stupid time.
So stupid.

I think every generation has claimed that they lived in stupid times. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

[ya_right]

I think every generation has claimed that they lived in stupid times. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

now is obviously stupider than the stupidness of stupid past.

...duh

[fiona]

Matt, Maggie, Ballard Guy,

A call to arms here. King's Hardware on Ballard Ave has set up a smoking deck right outside the back door. They've taken down all the no smoking signs and put ashtrays on the tables.

Let's slap these people down before they get up and running.

Breather

fuck off breather. do you know how hard it is for bars to allow smokers now? you guys can stay inside if you don't want to be on the deck. we smoked on lindas deck all winter wear they had heaters for us. heaters asshole! while everyone else was warm inside. now they have no smoking signs again. FUCKOFF

[ya_right]

fuck off breather. do you know how hard it is for bars to allow smokers now? you guys can stay inside if you don't want to be on the deck. we smoked on lindas deck all winter wear they had heaters for us. heaters asshole! while everyone else was warm inside. now they have no smoking signs again. FUCKOFF

...ummm actually you fuck off pussy. If you can't handle the consequence of democracy, and its nasty habit of public votes, go live where you won't be burdened with such messy habits.

Also, think of it this way. Breather saved your life. If I'm at Linda's, or anywhere, and you make the mistake of pushing your smoke at my lungs, I may, given my mood, call you out, on the spot. If you are drunk enough to be so foolish as to abide, perhaps it will be my mistake, and you will kick my ass, it's certainly been kicked before. But I can't remember a smoker being able to do so. They're usually pretty easy to wind.

Now, I consider you a brother ( or sister ), and I know I'll not feel good about pummeling you, so isn't easier to just hold off on smoking while your out.

I will say one thing. It would be nice if we had some way of allowing a few establishments to be smoke stacks, while preventing this from spreading. I will go out on a limb here and say that I don't have a problem with it being done outside, like the deck of Linda's. I respect though that some people do have a problem with that. Still, it seems like there can be solutions to this, short of warfare. However, if it does come to warfare, non smokers will win. We're in better tactical condition, we have many means to leverage your problem by poisoning your smoke, introducing explosives to your source of ignition, locating your position, past and present, benefiting from the painful and slow attrition of disease. We will win, win, win.

[Matt]

Matt, Maggie, Ballard Guy,

A call to arms here. King's Hardware on Ballard Ave has set up a smoking deck right outside the back door. They've taken down all the no smoking signs and put ashtrays on the tables.

Let's slap these people down before they get up and running.Thanks for letting me know. I will dust off the black balloons, don my black "No Smoking" t-shirt, and prepare to "have a chat" with the lawbreakers.

[Matt]

Just got back from MD and Virginia. . . they turned down, once again . . . a smoking ban in VA and MD. Wow! It feels good to know that pussies can't rule the entire world just yet.I see you're still stupid.

"Maryland lawmakers voted yesterday to ban smoking in bars and restaurants statewide . . . A 33 to 13 vote in the Senate all but ensured that next year Maryland will join at least 18 states and the District, which have similar prohibitions designed to protect workers and patrons from the dangers of secondhand smoke."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/26/AR2007032601893.html

Oh, and here's the latest in Virginia:
"Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine on Monday . . . amended another [bill] so it will now ban smoking in all restaurants."
http://www.examiner.com/a-640236~Kaine_proposes_restaurant_smoking_ban.html

Hey, Jimmy, you must have a never-ending supply of stupid pills. I always enjoy crushing your lame-assedness, just like I always crushed that punk-ass bitch Melle. That punk.

[fiona]

Thanks for letting me know. I will dust off the black balloons, don my black "No Smoking" t-shirt, and prepare to "have a chat" with the lawbreakers.

piss off matt, go wear your little costume at any bar you want. the owners caved into you on smoking inside but were going to smoke on all the decks and patios. they tell us to put them out they go back inside and we light them up again. they don't really care about it. And you don't have enough nazi inspecters to do anything about it. this summer you can stay inside the bar if you have to leave your house at all

[Matt]

piss off matt, go wear your little costume at any bar you want. the owners caved into you on smoking inside but were going to smoke on all the decks and patios. they tell us to put them out they go back inside and we light them up again. they don't really care about it. And you don't have enough nazi inspecters to do anything about it. this summer you can stay inside the bar if you have to leave your house at allFiona, I'm tempted to backhand you for your insolence. However, I understand that your nicotine addiction makes you, like all other smokers, stupid.

Clarification #1: You will not smoke on decks and patios. Those who do will face fines and possible imprisonment.

Clarification #2: I don't need to stay inside. Because of 901, I can freely go anywhere and enjoy air that is free of cigarette smoke. Any smokers who care to tread on my freedom to enjoy said clean air will "be dealt with," if you catch my drift.

You have lost, young fiona. You and your lame-ass stanky-clothed and reeking-nasty-hair stank loser smoker friends have been crushed. Crushed, I say!

Please wipe your tears and move on.

<end of thread>

[ya_right]

Fiona, I'm tempted to backhand you for your insolence. However, I understand that your nicotine addiction makes you, like all other smokers, stupid.

Clarification #1: You will not smoke on decks and patios. Those who do will face fines and possible imprisonment.

Clarification #2: I don't need to stay inside. Because of 901, I can freely go anywhere and enjoy air that is free of cigarette smoke. Any smokers who care to tread on my freedom to enjoy said clean air will "be dealt with," if you catch my drift.

You have lost, young fiona. You and your lame-ass stanky-clothed and reeking-nasty-hair stank loser smoker friends have been crushed. Crushed, I say!

Please wipe your tears and move on.

<end of thread>

He's got a point here. Two points, actually; followed by a farewell jubilee.

[fiona]

Clarification #1: You will not smoke on decks and patios. Those who do will face fines and possible imprisonment.

<end of thread>

I dont know what planet your on Mattboy but were smoking on all of the decks and patios and your little rules don't apply there.
At the George and Dragon they built us a bigger deck and put a roof on it. do you think with that money spent that theyre going to volutariily follow your rules? No. You don't have the inspecter nazis to police this. If they come tell us to stop we will for 5 minutes and then start again. Do you think the bar cares? And Kings Hardware is one too. You can't see the deck from the street even.
And who's going to jail? for what? fuck off. if the law applys outside why do you think everyone built decks dipshit? Youre wrong. LIndas put in heaters even so your signs will be down soon. We've had heated outdoor smoking at the Bit since the day after your stupid ban and they havent taken it away because it doesn't apply there. Sullys and Park Pub built us decks. Kangaroo and Kiwi built a small one because they are allowed to do this. Go to Old Pecular and see with your own blind eyes the signs saying the deck is for smoking.
Find something better to do

[ya_right]

haaha, oh man. Fiona, you are, perhaps, the greatest source of inadvertent voluntary counter intelligence that I've ever seen. When this is added to the self inflicted, unilateral destruction and tertiary damage, well you're the dream enemy, and a good argument for the usefulness of lung cancer.

I propose we generate a fund to support periodic medical evaluations and eventual cancer treatment for fiona. After all this banter, we'll miss this individual when he/she is gone. They don't make tactical gifts like this anymore.

I propose we take 15% of the fiona continuance fund and use it to maintain an active perquisition fund, to seek out other possible occurrences of this phenomenon. We must not leave any possible source unexploited. We must locate any other fiona's, if they are out there.

...fiona must not die.

[fiona]

haaha, oh man. Fiona, you are, perhaps, the greatest source of inadvertent voluntary counter intelligence that I've ever seen. When this is added to the self inflicted, unilateral destruction and tertiary damage, well you're the dream enemy, and a good argument for the usefulness of lung cancer.

I propose we generate a fund to support periodic medical evaluations and eventual cancer treatment for fiona. After all this banter, we'll miss this individual when he/she is gone. They don't make tactical gifts like this anymore.

I propose we take 15% of the fiona continuance fund and use it to maintain an active perquisition fund, to seek out other possible occurrences of this phenomenon. We must not leave any possible source unexploited. We must locate any other fiona's, if they are out there.



...fiona must not die.

i'm not worried about intelligence in your hands. are you going to call the health department? go ahead. notice how theres no place on the website to complain now? they have other stuff to do. we're smoking on decks on any bar that has one, nobody will stop us and you can pissoff

[ya_right]

i'm not worried about intelligence in your hands. are you going to call the health department? go ahead. notice how theres no place on the website to complain now? they have other stuff to do. we're smoking on decks on any bar that has one, nobody will stop us and you can pissoff

Relax, I was just kidding. Like I said before, I, personally, don't have a problem with people smoking outdoors. However, some people do have issue with it and they have the right to have a publicly approved vote enforced. Remember, it was you and your brethren ( well, maybe not you fiona ) that were so fucked up about their habit that it created a need for the law. Believe me, I don't think people went to all the trouble, and get so passionate about it because of some esoterical opinion. It makes them physically sick. Most smokers can't handle that because they're in denial about how toxic the shit is.

Ever thought of quitting? None of my business but I'm actually interested. You would have a bunch of extra money every month to do something more productive.

[breather]

i'm not worried about intelligence in your hands. are you going to call the health department? go ahead. notice how theres no place on the website to complain now? they have other stuff to do. we're smoking on decks on any bar that has one, nobody will stop us and you can pissoff

Maggie2, Matt,
PM me, please. The nutball has a point here, this is off of the radar screen unless and until we put it back on and force some people to do their jobs.

[Matt]

I dont [sic] know what planet your [sic] on Mattboy but were [sic] smoking on all of the decks and patios and your little rules don't apply there.Of course they do, you stupid whore.

Hey, thanks for giving us the names of the violators.

are you going to call the health department? go ahead. notice how theres [sic] no place on the website to complain now?Fiona, that stupid whore, is stupid as always: http://www.metrokc.gov/health/tobacco/smoking.htm

<end of thread>

[Smalan Ithee]

Does repeatedly calling someone a stupid whore violate the posting guidelines? (http://forums.thestranger.com/showthread.php?t=2593) Just wondering.

[JohnR]

Someone was saying earlier that Kings Hardware in Ballard openly violates the smoking ban. The same person, Linda Derchang, owns Linda's Tavern in Capitol Hill. I've heard Linda's still allows smoking, even indoors, when they can get away with it.

[ya_right]

Someone was saying earlier that Kings Hardware in Ballard openly violates the smoking ban. The same person, Linda Derchang, owns Linda's Tavern in Capitol Hill. I've heard Linda's still allows smoking, even indoors, when they can get away with it.

Ya, I've seen her many times. It's pretty fucked up when a business owner, nearly all of whom benefit from a democratic and peaceful society, decide to make their own rules when it suits them. Those are usually the first to fight for every ballot measure that will help their bottom line, then insist on enforcement.

[ya_right]

Does repeatedly calling someone a stupid whore violate the posting guidelines? (http://forums.thestranger.com/showthread.php?t=2593) Just wondering.

..well, apparently being mindless, petty and juvenile doesn't seem to be a problem..

[Matt]

Someone was saying earlier that Kings Hardware in Ballard openly violates the smoking ban. The same person, Linda Derchang, owns Linda's Tavern in Capitol Hill. I've heard Linda's still allows smoking, even indoors, when they can get away with it.Here's the form to complain about Kings Hardware and Linda's Tavern:

http://www.metrokc.gov/health/tobacco/smoking.htm

Here's the info you need to input for Kings Hardware:
* 5225 Ballard Ave. N.W, Seattle
* Make sure the time of occurrence falls within the hours of operation, which are 4 p.m.-2 a.m. weekdays, noon-2 a.m. weekends.

Here's the info you need to input for Linda's Tavern:
* 707 East Pine St, Seattle
* Hours: Sat.-Sun. 10AM-1:30AM; Mon.-Fri. 4PM-1:30AM

<end of thread>

[ya_right]

Here's the form to complain about Kings Hardware and Linda's Tavern:

http://www.metrokc.gov/health/tobacco/smoking.htm

Here's the info you need to input for Kings Hardware:
* 5225 Ballard Ave. N.W, Seattle
* Make sure the time of occurrence falls within the hours of operation, which are 4 p.m.-2 a.m. weekdays, noon-2 a.m. weekends.

Here's the info you need to input for Linda's Tavern:
* 707 East Pine St, Seattle
* Hours: Sat.-Sun. 10AM-1:30AM; Mon.-Fri. 4PM-1:30AM

<end of thread>

haaa, nice. Normally I never rat someone out, I'd rather call them out. However, when in comes to a business owner that doesn't understand how democracy works, well, we have no shortage of the consequence to that little problem these days. So, I concur. It's time to slap this individual down. Matt is good soldier to have around in a pinch.

[breather]

We need a better name for her but that's all I can do at the moment.
She owns a number of bars on Capitol Hill and in Belltown, in addition to Linda's and King's Hardware.
I haven't had time to i.d. them all but if anyone knows, please chime in.
Since she owns a lot of bars, is high profile and is said to be quietly talking to legislators about repealing the 25' rule so that decks will be full of foul-smelling imbeciles we should be checking all of her bars regularly and reporting any violations.
Knocking her down not only takes care of a lot of bars but will get the word out to others that you can't get away with deck smoking.

It really is our air.

[JohnR]

I believe she also owns the Baltic Room in capitol hill and Viceroy-how appropriate-in Belletown.

[TheDude]

Blah, blah, blah. I can't believe this thread has gone on so long and has missed the most important issue:

Smokers have the nastiest, foulest, rankest-tasting jizz.

Really? I never knew. I'm a smoker and my girlfriend swallows every drop, every time. The only 3 conclusions I can come up with are that my spunk is immune to this phenomenon, she likes nasty, foul, rank tasting jizz, or you're full of crap.

[breather]

yet, at least.

King's Harware in Ballard had a deck full of rank smokies last night. Beware SmokieQueen, the longer the smackdown takes the harder it is.

[fiona]

get a life matt. I sat at the Park Pub and smoked for a couple of hours last night on the SMOKING deck.
I'll probably do it tonight too.

[TheDude]

Well maybe this is a downtown Seattle problem. The local bars near me (Issaquah eastsider here) all either have smoking decks or a group of smokers congregating just outside the door, and not once have I heard someone complain about the people smoking.

Shit just Tuesday night about 5 local cops came into one local bar, apparently looking for someone or doing an underage drinking sting or something, and walked right past a group of about 8 of us standing within 10 feet of the back door smoking and didn't say a word.

I asked the last one walking by "should we run?". He smiled and said no.

So if you're smoker and are tired of being harassed by those stuck up Seattlelites, come on down to the Rolling Log Saloon in Issy!

[Matt]

So if you're smoker and are tired of being harassed by those stuck up Seattlelites, come on down to the Rolling Log Saloon in Issy!Hi Dude! Thanks for writing. What's the address or intersection for the Rolling Log Saloon? Thanks!

[TheDude]

Well Matt, there's a good reason why no one complains.

But if that reason still eludes you, then by all means come on down to the corner of Sunset and Front St.

[JohnR]

Two people that I know personally got kicked out of Linda's Tavern not long ago for complaining about the illegal smoking while it was going on. They told their server about it because, of course, they were having to breathe the secondhand smoke. It is even more shocking that it was Linda Derchang herself who told them they weren't welcome if they didn't like the smoking. She has been getting away with blatently breaking this law since the smoking ban began. Linda Derchang really needs to be brought down.

[breather]

John R,

Please pm me through this site

[DrOctopu5]

Fiona, I'm tempted to backhand you for your insolence. However, I understand that your nicotine addiction makes you, like all other smokers, stupid.

Clarification #1: You will not smoke on decks and patios. Those who do will face fines and possible imprisonment.

What if that deck (like the one at King's Hardware), is larger than 25 feet?

[Smalan Ithee]

What if that deck (like the one at King's Hardware), is larger than 25 feet?Technically, I believe that if it is part of the establishment and is serviced by employees, smoking is not allowed. If it is not serviced by employees, the establishment has to request some sort of waiver saying the smoke doesn't enter the building, is outside of the 25ft rule, to allow smoking. Or something.

[Relish]

being new to the area.... and a die - [no pun intended] hard smoker, i respect the non-smokers, but i AM a Smoker..... i'm in west seattle. where can i puff in peace and imbibe in a fine washington cab?

[breather]

Technically, I believe that if it is part of the establishment and is serviced by employees, smoking is not allowed. If it is not serviced by employees, the establishment has to request me sort of waiver saying the smoke doesn't enter the building, is outside of the 25ft rule, to allow smoking. Or something.

Smalan is on the $ here, even if the deck at King's is 26 ft, which is a typically dumb smokie objection to the overall argument, i.e., that you people need to be banished because you stink.

[breather]

being new to the area.... and a die - [no pun intended] hard smoker, i respect the non-smokers, but i AM a Smoker..... i'm in west seattle. where can i puff in peace and imbibe in a fine washington cab?

well bumpkin, your short term bets are Oregon and Idaho, with the understanding that you'll be run out of Oregon in the next couple of years and Idaho in the next few.

In the slightly longer term, you'll be able to smoke in a red state in the SE but the only wine that your six fingered bartender will pour you will be from a box.

[JohnR]

Or something in WA State owned by Linda.

[Relish]

well bumpkin, your short term bets are Oregon and Idaho, with the understanding that you'll be run out of Oregon in the next couple of years and Idaho in the next few.

In the slightly longer term, you'll be able to smoke in a red state in the SE but the only wine that your six fingered bartender will pour you will be from a box.


i secretly look forward to the day that smoking is prohibited. they've already banned it in communities in so.cal. (believe it or not). del mar and calabasas will cite you with a hefty $250, if nabbed.

wine from a box? i've already found your fair state wine at the metro that opens with a screw cap. i may be a farmer, but i'm no bumpkin.

[Cantiloper]

John R wrote, "She has been getting away with blatently breaking this law since the smoking ban began. Linda Derchang really needs to be brought down."

Gee John, I thought everyone was HAPPY with the smoking ban... and that all the bars would be making so much more money now. Can you explain why someone like Linda Derchang would defy the law? Is it perhaps that she's secretly a COMMUNIST and is dedicated to losing money in her business?

Inquiring Cantilopers want to know...

[Jimmy Flame]

I see you're still stupid.

.....supply of stupid pills. I always enjoy crushing your lame-assedness, just like I always crushed that punk-ass bitch Melle. That punk.

LOL... Crushed? Like a Pepsi can? Or possibly like trash!? I'm shaking in my $1,000 wrestling boots brother! I don't even know why I'm commenting back to some lowly commoner. Do you need someone to wipe your ass too?

[TheDude]

Or: 4) She has low self-esteem, 5) Her tastebuds are dead, or 6) She sucks on strong mints before going down on you.

And all this time I thought the mints were for my benefit. So tingly...

Doh!

Time to quit smoking...

[DrOctopu5]

And all this time I thought the mints were for my benefit. So tingly...

Doh!

Time to quit smoking...
That's Curiously Wrong!

[Matt]

So if you're smoker and are tired of being harassed by those stuck up Seattlelites, come on down to the Rolling Log Saloon in Issy!. . . corner of Sunset and Front St.Thanks for the info, dude. I used http://www.metrokc.gov/health/tobacco/smoking.htm to make a complaint about the Rolling Log. Methinks the owner will be a tad more compliant now (notice how "complaint" leads to "compliant" -- a change of only one letter -- how fascinating!).

Btw, dude, are you related to fiona?

[Matt]

Cantiloper!! I thought you would have died of lung cancer by this point! Boy, did I miss you!

Gee John, I thought everyone was HAPPY with the smoking ban... ...Everyone who counts (i.e., nonsmokers) is happy with the smoking ban.

Hey, btw, Cantiloper, didn't they ban smoking in your home town of Philadelphia recently?

Bwa ha haa!!!!

[pladecalvo]

Here in Spain, smoking laws came into force last year. Public places such as shopping malls are now non-smoking and shops within the malls are not even allowed to sell tobacco. With regard to bars and restaraunts, if the establishment has an internal area of less than 100 sq mts, it is up to the owner as to whether he allows smoking or not but he must display a large notice on the door of the premises indicating whether it is smoking or not so that customers can choose whether or not to enter the premises. For premises over 100 sq mts, smoking is allowed if the owner wishes it but he must supply a smoke free area for non-smokers. Again, notices must be placed on the door stating that smoking is allowed in designated areas, thus giving customers the choice whether or not to enter the premises.

It seems to be working well!

[pemberlee]

As someone who smokes like a chimney I would like to be able to smoke in bars, but I understand nonsmokers feelings about the smell an health hazards and I can accept that.

[DrOctopu5]

Here in Spain, smoking laws came into force last year. Public places such as shopping malls are now non-smoking and shops within the malls are not even allowed to sell tobacco. With regard to bars and restaraunts, if the establishment has an internal area of less than 100 sq mts, it is up to the owner as to whether he allows smoking or not but he must display a large notice on the door of the premises indicating whether it is smoking or not so that customers can choose whether or not to enter the premises. For premises over 100 sq mts, smoking is allowed if the owner wishes it but he must supply a smoke free area for non-smokers. Again, notices must be placed on the door stating that smoking is allowed in designated areas, thus giving customers the choice whether or not to enter the premises.

It seems to be working well!
"Choice"? What is this word?

[Cantiloper]

Bwa ha haa!!!!


It's good to see Matt has maintained his high level of intelligent debate while I was gone.

The antismoking lobby did indeed manage to ban smoking in most Philadelphia bars and restaurants last year after a tricky move by the ban's greatest supporter on City Council's last day in session (heh... a hallmark of MANY smoking ban successes!). However, more rational minds returned in the fall after the fellow's "unexpected" resignation and offered permanent waivers to any establishment that could show that 80% of its revenue came from alcohol sales.

The ban pusher btw is now running for mayor and will no doubt make excellent use of such off-the-books lobbying perks as getting awarded "Savior of Our Children's Pink Lungs" awards to pave his way...

Michael J. McFadden
Author of "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains"
http://pasan.TheTruthIsALie.com

[TheDude]

Thanks for the info, dude. I used http://www.metrokc.gov/health/tobacco/smoking.htm to make a complaint about the Rolling Log. Methinks the owner will be a tad more compliant now (notice how "complaint" leads to "compliant" -- a change of only one letter -- how fascinating!).

Btw, dude, are you related to fiona?

Haha!!

HAHAHA!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

/cough
/wheeze

So Matt, you decided to let the web do your complaining for you? What happened to you boldly visiting said establishment and setting all of us non-conformists to rights? You ascared?

You do realize that compaining about an establishment YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO is pretty fucking lame, don't you?

You also realize that the place is right next door to the police station, and that I was pretty much just yanking your chain, don't you?

Oh that's right, you don't, because YOU'VE NEVER BEEN THERE!

You, sir, have just been pwned!

[Matt]

You also realize that the place is right next door to the police station, and that I was pretty much just yanking your chain, don't you? . . . You, sir, have just been pwned! Except I never made the complaint! [Wham!]

Like I'm going to believe some newbie! Fiona, OTOH, that stupid whore, has been feeding us good info for months. Knowing that you were untested, I fed you some line, you ran with it, and demonstrated what we expected.

Next!

[Matt]

Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.First of all, keep that Frenchie talk to yourself. We speak American round these parts.

I was going to quote and respond to more of Canty's post but realized it was free of substance.

You know, C, we've been chatting amicably for months now. Let's just cut to the chase, shall we? You're on the big bus to Loserville. States are banning smoking in restaurants and bars faster than you can say carcinoma. (And all the bans have resulted in increased profits for businesses.) Localities have started banning smoking outdoors, in parks, at beaches, at stadiums. People have started banning smoking in apartment buildings, in cars when children are present. Companies are making entire work campuses smokefree. Some are even refusing to hire smokers. Foster parents have been prohibited from physically abusing their children (by smoking near them).

Need I go on?

Loserville.

And you're the mayor.

Pretty soon, the only place you'll be able to smoke is in your bed, with the sheets over your head. Scared. Glancing furtively at your windows, hoping you don't see any black "No Smoking" balloons, which herald the approaching storm of clean air. {god, that was beautiful; I should be a fricken poet.}

<end of thread>

[TheDude]

Except I never made the complaint! [Wham!]

Like I'm going to believe some newbie! Fiona, OTOH, that stupid whore, has been feeding us good info for months. Knowing that you were untested, I fed you some line, you ran with it, and demonstrated what we expected.

Next!

Nice back-peddling attempt moron. What is obvious to anyone here is what you claim you did to me is exactly what was done to you; you got fed a line, ran with it, and demonstrated exactly what we all expected... by a NEWBIE no less. HAHA!

You talk like you're a macho man but instead of backing your mouth up you whined to big brother instead (or did nothing, either action had the same result). Exactly what we all expected. Pussy!

Face it. You got nothing. No spine. No balls. Just a bunch of hot air. The only thing being a non-smoker does for you is allow for some extra lung capacity for all of your hot air.

So the offer still stands, crusade boy. Come on down and complain about the people smoking outside the front and back doors and see what happens.

I double-dare you!

[Rachael V]

You know Matt, as much as I was in favor of the smoking ban (when it was actually, like current news), I have to say that you are quite possibly the biggest asshole in all of Seattle. And I think that's pretty much the one thing in this entire thread that everyone (well, except probably you) can agree on.

<almost certainly not end of thread>

[Matt]

Come on down and complain about the people smoking outside the front and back doors and see what happens.No need. I just made an online complaint. The owner should be seeing a fine in the very near future.

<end of thread>

[wrongo]

http://infowars.com/articles/ps/smoking_ban_todays_smoking_purge_borrowed_from_naz is.htm

Now I want to hear someone having this conversation outside The 5 Point.

[TheDude]

No need. I just made an online complaint. The owner should be seeing a fine in the very near future.

<end of thread>

Didn't you already say you did this before? Then you said you didn't. Now you say you did.

Are you always like this?

So you actually believe that going to that site and lodging a complaint will result in a fine?

I got some really good land in south/central Florida for sale. Cheap!

[breather]

one of the best lines in Star Wars, that.

Our purpose here is to clear the decks of foul-smelling smokies in time for summer. Dirty Linda Derschang and some others have quietly stopped complying with the, no, OUR Clean Indoor Air Act in this regard.

As of last week, she had been whipped into compliance at her flagship establishment, Linda's but was still out of compliance at King's Hardware in Ballard and perhaps some others as well. I haven't gotten to all of her bars yet.

She was whipped into compliance at Linda's because of complaints made by myself and probably some others at this website: http://www.metrokc.gov/health/tobacco/smoking.htm

Complaints do not lead directly to fines. If a complaint is received the Health Dep't. sends a letter to the bar in question informing them that a complaint has been made. If several complaints are received an inspection will occur and if a violation is observed by the inspecting personnel a citation will be issued and a fine may be levied.

There are two problems here. First, enforcement is complaint based and it takes more than one complaint to really get anything going. Second, the people responsible for enforcement are busy at best and disinterested or lazy at worst. Inspecting a bar at night means that they have to work overtime.

That's the system that we have , for now, at least, and we need to use it. Vigorously. If you observe a violation when you're out then you need to complain and get all of the people whom you are with to complain as well.

We should probably also call or email elected officials at the city and county level and tell them that we want the law enforced. The city of Seattle could make a bar owners life hell if they saw fit to do so.

[roynassau]

Hello

Hurray, I'm so glad about this latest smoking ban.
It compares with Hawaii, lovely news!
Since the ban has been put into effect on Hawaii it means that I can vacation there without having to pre-book a room.
Now I just turn up and take my pick of any of the hundreds and hundreds of empty, lovely, sweet smelling non-smoking rooms I choose. In the past Hawaii used to be crammed full to bursting point with hoards of nasty, smelly tourists, but not any more.
Thing have changed for the better, the majority of tourists who used to visit Hawaii have changed destinations and are going to places like the Bahamas, where they can smoke as much as they like.
This island nation is obviously a very backward one, can you imagine this?
Who in their right mind wants to pay to stay in a place where they are allowed to do whatever they feel like doing?
I say good riddance, glad to be rid of them, after all, we don't need them spending their dollars here if they are going to smoke those nasty cigarettes...... do we?

Another thing that makes me really mad is the fact that some people are actually trying to promote hotels who give their guests a choice between smoking and non-smoking rooms, this is a website where hotel owners can actually advertize to attract some of the 46 million people in the US who smoke cigarettes, see http://www.smokingwelcome.com
I think this is wrong and should be stopped, the government should ban any form of choice and freedom whatsoever, and effect total control over what used to be known as "personal freedoms".


Roy (the blatant advertizer....... tongue placed firmly in-cheek)

[DrOctopu5]

Hello

Hurray, I'm so glad about this latest smoking ban.

...

Roy (the blatant advertizer....... tongue placed firmly in-cheek)

Hahahaha. You had me fooled for a while, Roy. Welcome!

[Matt]

In the past Hawaii used to be crammed full to bursting point with hoards of nasty, smelly tourists, but not any more.You describe smokers so well: nasty and smelly. Couldn't have said it better myself. We can now eat meals without cigarette stench wafting our way. It is so awesome!

One great hotel chain that went smokefree is Marriott (http://marriott.com)!! Marriott is so awesome, isn't it Roy?

Thing have [sic] changed for the better, the majority of tourists who used to visit Hawaii have changed destinations and are going to places like the BahamasIf a "majority of tourists who used to visit Hawaii have changed destinations," then tourism would have dropped by more than 50 percent. That hasn't happened. You must be a retard or a liar, Roy.

(In fact, a story I recently read said that "arrivals from the U.S. West Coast were actually up by 1.4 percent for January.")

Or perhaps you're just not good at English and really meant to say that the majority of SMOKING tourists have changed destinations. If so, you provide no evidence, therefore your claim is crap. Second, even if smokers were going elsewhere, I'd applaud, per our previous discussion regarding how nasty and smelly they are. Buh bye, smokers!!!!

I think this is wrong and should be stopped, the government should ban any form of choice and freedom whatsoever, and effect total control over what used to be known as "personal freedoms".Oh, smokers don't have the "freedom" to blow their cancer-causing smoke in other people's faces (and lungs).

Btw, Roy, we live in a democracy. Majority wins. Here's news from a recent poll in Hawaii: "82 percent of voters favor the new smoke-free law." Did you catch that "82 percent of voters" part, Roy? Read it and weep. The people have spoken. Please stop trying to undermine the will of the people.

Oh, btw, I guess you should get used to the Hawaii ban. A judge threw out a lawsuit by the bar owners association two weeks ago. Bwa haaaa haaaa!!!!!!!!

Oh, one more thing, while we're talking about nasty smokers: Just the other day, the Honolulu Advertiser reported that volunteers collected more than 5,000 (five thousand) cigarette butts at just one Hawaii beach. Yep. Smokers. We sure will miss them.

P.S. Hey, Roy, I see this was your first post. It was crap. However, I'm glad I could educate you. I'm here for you, bud.

<end of thread>

[TheDude]

So I'll just assume based on your lack of response Matt that you actually did lodge a complaint against an establishment that you have never visited. How do you know that the "rules" are being broken if you've never even been there? Based on something "TheDude" said on an internet forum?

What a loser.

Personally I don't have a problem with the current indoor smoking ban, for the most part. I am a smoker and I prefer going outside and prefer that indoor establishments are non-smoking. But Matt you love to tout the percentages of people who voted for the smoking ban, while ignoring some basic premises. Smoking is legal. Cigarettes are legal. People still have freedoms in this country. Everytime you drive your car you are spewing carcinogens into the atmosphere, so go take a flying leap off your high-horse there buddy. You're no better than those you're condemning. It's people like you I have a problem with; hipocrits.

It's the 25' rule and the all-out ban parts of the law I have issues with. Establishments should be able to obtain some kind of provision with allows for smoking there. If everyone who applies for a job or chooses to patronize this type of establishment does so knowing that there will be smoking inside, then no one is victimized. Choice. What an amazing concept! And one that you take advantage of everyday while persuing your idiotic crusade against it.

So get your head out of your ass and start thinking about what's fair and reasonable for everyone, and have some compassion for all involved instead of focusing your attention only on your own personal fucked up world, or go fuck yourself you fucking hipocrit.

[Matt]

So I'll just assume based on your lack of response Matt that . . .One should never make assumptions. For example, I didn't respond to Rachael's unpleasantly worded post. One might therefore assume by not responding that I think she's a whore of Babylon. But in fact I'm madly in love with Rachael, but I didn't want anyone to know, therefore I didn't respond.

I prefer . . . that indoor establishments are non-smoking.Then we are in agreement. Excellent! I feel all tingly inside. I had a black balloon with your name on it, but I will now deflate it in an act of reconciliation.

So get your head out of your ass and start thinking about what's fair and reasonable for everyone, and have some compassion for all involved instead of focusing your attention only on your own personal fucked up world, or go fuck yourself you fucking hipocrit [sic].Tell us how you really feel. One need not show compassion to smokers. They are public nuisances. (Several jurisdictions have made just that conclusion.) I need not show compassion to these smelly carcinogen-spewing pieces of crap anymore than I need to show compassion to someone who walks up and urinates on my shoe.

[Matt]

As of last week, [Dirty Linda Derschang] had been whipped into compliance at her flagship establishment, Linda's but was still out of compliance at King's Hardware in Ballard and perhaps some others as well. I haven't gotten to all of her bars yet.

She was whipped into compliance at Linda's because of complaints made by myself and probably some others at this website: http://www.metrokc.gov/health/tobacco/smoking.htmBreather, as always, you have provided excellent information. On behalf of all non-smokers, thank you for defending the law. We should all use that URL if we witness a violation of the smoking law.

And you're right: These law-breakers are eventually broken. Here, in fact, is a list of smack-downs: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/272220_violations31.html. Notice that complaints led to one establishment getting a $300 fine. Awesome!!

Defending the law by reporting law-breaking pieces of crap is indeed effective, after all.

Smokers will be vanquished.

<end of thread>

[TheDude]

Breather, as always, you have provided excellent information. On behalf of all non-smokers, thank you for defending the law. We should all use that URL if we witness a violation of the smoking law.

And you're right: These law-breakers are eventually broken. Here, in fact, is a list of smack-downs: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/272220_violations31.html. Notice that complaints led to one establishment getting a $300 fine. Awesome!!

Defending the law by reporting law-breaking pieces of crap is indeed effective, after all.

Smokers will be vanquished.

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"If we witness a violation..."? Seems like you don't need to witness anything. Someone on a forum can say something and you will complain without even having ever set foot inside the establishment in question. What if the establishment in question upholds the values you seem to cherish so dearly, and the poster on said forum was just yanking your chain?

I see you call yourself Matt here, but aren't you a 72 year old jewish woman living in a planned community in Boynton Beach, Fla? I'm sure I've seen the top of your head peeking up over the steering wheel of that Lincoln Town car you drive at a safe and sane 15mph on I-95.

Hypocrite (yay I spelled it right this time!). I suggest you look this word up and become familiar with it. You will feel a strong connection with the definition of that word... maybe even a kinship.

[Matt]

I see you call yourself Matt here, but aren't you a 72 year old jewish woman living in a planned community in Boynton Beach, Fla? I'm sure I've seen the top of your head peeking up over the steering wheel of that Lincoln Town car you drive at a safe and sane 15mph on I-95.Heh. That was pretty good. But I don't live in Florida. Punk.

When are you going to stop whining about 901? You sound like a sissy.

Let's summarize this thread: 901 is here to stay. Look up the word "permanent" you punk.

Get.
Used.
To.
It.

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[breather]

As of Tues., 5/1/07 King's Hardware in Ballard was still allowing smoking on their deck despite posting some signs saying otherwise.
Keep the complaints coming:
http://www.metrokc.gov/health/tobacco/smoking.htm

[Matt]

Hey, Matt, you've just won the Super Bowl. What are you going to do now?

I'm going to enjoy the smoke-free rooms at Disney World!!!

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-disney0207may02,0,6318989.story

Disney World said Tuesday it is putting out cigarettes and cigars for good in its hotels and time-share buildings, making it the largest single-site resort complex to take such an action

Oh, lord, the good news just keeps rollin' in!!! I might burst like a balloon if I hear any more good news!!

Oh happy day. Hey, I feel like singing!!! Sing with me!!!

It's a smoke-free world after all.
It's a smoke-free world after all.
It's a smoke-free world after all.
It's a clean smoke-free world.

[TheDude]

I might burst like a balloon if I hear any more good news!!

I quit smoking.....



You burst yet?

[DrOctopu5]

As of Tues., 5/1/07 King's Hardware in Ballard was still allowing smoking on their deck despite posting some signs saying otherwise.
Keep the complaints coming:
http://www.metrokc.gov/health/tobacco/smoking.htm
Are you a frequent customer?

[breather]

Dirty Derschang is still tacitly allowing smokies and smoking on the patio at King's Hardware. Watched a server clear glasses from a table full of smokies there on Wed. night.
She will go down.

[DrOctopu5]

Dirty Derschang is still tacitly allowing smokies and smoking on the patio at King's Hardware. Watched a server clear glasses from a table full of smokies there on Wed. night.
She will go down.
Stop getting your nuts in a twist. They put up a no smoking sign at the entrance to the patio.

Congratulations, you just imposed your psychotic will on a place and people you don't even give a shit about.

[breather]

Stop getting your nuts in a twist. They put up a no smoking sign at the entrance to the patio.

Congratulations, you just imposed your psychotic will on a place and people you don't even give a shit about.

That may be how it appears to someone dumb enough to stubbornly maintain an addiction to something that can cause cancer in themselves and those around them and whose spending on said addiction goes to corporations who fund the worst sort of Republican politics.

For the rest of us, it's a simple case of seeing that a public health measure overwhelmingly passed by voters is enforced.

And the Derschang establishments will be getting the constant vigilance on this matter that they clearly need from little ole John Q. Public here.

[TheDude]

That may be how it appears to someone dumb enough to stubbornly maintain an addiction to something that can cause cancer in themselves and those around them and whose spending on said addiction goes to corporations who fund the worst sort of Republican politics.

For the rest of us, it's a simple case of seeing that a public health measure overwhelmingly passed by voters is enforced.

And the Derschang establishments will be getting the constant vigilance on this matter that they clearly need from little ole John Q. Public here.

Be that as it may, the 25' rule is ridiculous and needs to be repealed. Additionally certain establishments need some way to obtain a license that allows for a smoking room or a smoking establishment. Do you really feel like the smoking room at places like Daniels Broiler was a threat to the public or the establishments employees? I am a smoker and I am and have always been in favor of prohibiting smoking in most indoor locations. But I am also an American and a reasonable person, and I can recognize when something is just plain wrong and stupid.

The rules are dumb, and so are you for being an asshole about it.

[breather]

Be that as it may, the 25' rule is ridiculous and needs to be repealed. Additionally certain establishments need some way to obtain a license that allows for a smoking room or a smoking establishment. Do you really feel like the smoking room at places like Daniels Broiler was a threat to the public or the establishments employees? I am a smoker and I am and have always been in favor of prohibiting smoking in most indoor locations. But I am also an American and a reasonable person, and I can recognize when something is just plain wrong and stupid.

The rules are dumb, and so are you for being an asshole about it.

We haven't had drivel of this quality since Melle bailed on us.

The 25' foot rule is barely adequate, needs to be vigorously enforced and perhaps even expanded. Go to the George and Dragon on a warm night and experience the stench inside from the dufi (plural of dufus) out on the deck.

If we permit smoking rooms then should we also permit rooms for people to spray DDT and toss asbestos-laden insulation around? Of course!! As the self-identified "reasonable person" that you are you obviously wouldn't deny anyone their choice of carcinogens.

I'm actually at a loss for words regarding the supposed causal effect that your nationality has on your ability to distinguish right from wrong but let's just say that you're not the first person to make that claim.

I'm now left to wonder if 63 percent of the voters in this state are actually French.

[Brennus]

I found this site by typing "pissant motherfucker" into Google. I was expecting to find a GWB site but instead came here. I have been a smoker since 1973 and am constantly being oppressed by the anti-smoking nazis.

And, did you know: Cannabis Sativa has proven to be an effective anti-cancer agent in at least two studies, one in VA (whose papers were classified by the Reagan administration) and one more recently (2000) in Madrid.

Cheers

[Jrj]

do you even know what the word " linked " refers to
when talking about a " study"...
dude. you are soooooo... full of shit.
In a scientific study you can either show a correlatioin or not.
and a correlation does NOT mean a relatiooship.
are these studies peer reviewed?
are they public or private?
who funded them?
did the funding source have some kind of agenda like YOU
obviously do?

[breather]

Derschang still doesn't get it. This gal needs the lash or perhaps a hefty fine.
There were smokies puffing away on Linda's deck last night, 5/19, while their server pretended not to notice.
Here's where to complain:
http://www.metrokc.gov/health/tobacco/smoking.htm

[DrOctopu5]

Derschang still doesn't get it.
Hmmmm. I'm beginning to think you don't "get it".

This isn't Singapore. And I think your use of hysterical hyperbole is more of a public choking hazard than second-hand smoke.

You must be a real riot to party with.

[ya_right]

Derschang still doesn't get it. This gal needs the lash or perhaps a hefty fine.
There were smokies puffing away on Linda's deck last night, 5/19, while their server pretended not to notice.
Here's where to complain:
http://www.metrokc.gov/health/tobacco/smoking.htm

Linda's Tavern
707 E Pine St
Seattle, WA 98122

( you'll need that to file a complaint )

[Matt]

Fuck smokers . . .I think Smittles makes an excellent point. And I think it makes a fitting end to this thread. With that, I hereby terminate this thread. Thanks, everyone. 901 passed.

<end of thread>

[Jimmy Flame]

Oppressed? Hahahahahahahahahaaaaa... That is some funny shit. How can someone be oppressed in regards to smoking? What a fucking joke! I just broke my rule "to not post on this pile of shit again!"... Anyone wanna' go in on a condo?

[TheDude]

Anyone wanna' go in on a condo?


Sure... but I'm a smoker. That OK with you?

[Jimmy Flame]

Sure... but I'm a smoker. That OK with you?

Thats cool. I like to drive gas guzzling, ozone destroying, loud mutha fuckin, pile of shit HUGE 70's Lincoln Town cars with no muffler! Oh, and I smoke too... Hope the neighbors don't complain.

[Gomezticator]

HAHA, this thread's two years old! And the best part: Matt posted here a week ago. WHAT.

[DrOctopu5]

HAHA, this thread's two years old! And the best part: Matt posted here a week ago. WHAT.
His gloatbladder is perpetually full. Not sure what flavor of Kool-Aid he drinks to fill it.

Plus, he and his psychotic co-horts are still reporting bars to city hall for the slightest infraction. Pretty wild.

If only they put this much energy into politics or social work - they might actually achieve something real that makes this world a better place.

[Matt]

Oh, and I smoke too... Hope the neighbors don't complain.Enjoy the smokes in your multiunit home while you can. Me and my buds (the Black-Balloon Bunch) will see to it that that "privilege" ends soon enough.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/06/13/BAGQGQEGR51.DTL

"Belmont moved a step closer Tuesday night to adopting a sweeping ordinance that would ban smoking in multiunit housing, including all apartment buildings."

Jimmy, I want you to know that I will be the one who personally shows up at your door to "ask" for the cigs. Keep an eye out for the black balloons.

[Matt]

You bad nazis!! A little wiff [sic] of smoke wont [sic] hurt!!! YOu.... bad .. nanny staters!! Read it and weep, you morons: http://au.news.yahoo.com/070629/2/13uyc.html
"Even brief exposure to second hand smoke in bars and restaurants can result in measurable levels of a toxin in workers' bodies that is known to cause lung cancer, US researchers said."

His gloatbladder is perpetually full. Not sure what flavor of Kool-Aid he drinks to fill it.Remember: It's better to be pissed off than pissed on.

I just talked to the Stranger forum owner. He said he's shutting down this thread and gave me the honor of ending it, since I've been the most intelligent and eloquent poster. So, take care, everyone. Enjoy your smokefree venues! We kicked the smokers' asses!!!! Yeeeehaaaa!!!!

<end of thread>

[Jimmy Flame]

Jimmy, I want you to know that I will be the one who personally shows up at your door to "ask" for the cigs. Keep an eye out for the black balloons.

And when you do, I will sock you in your fuckin' eye!

[Jimmy Flame]

Enjoy the smokes in your multiunit home while you can. Me and my buds (the Black-Balloon Bunch) will see to it that that "privilege" ends soon enough.


I don't live in a multi-unit home shithead. I live in a really nice old house on Capitol Hill. I would LOVE to see what happens to you walking around my neighborhood with black baloons anyway! Fuckin' honky's...

[Jimmy Flame]

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[Jimmy Flame]

I'm hoping it doesn't end just yet. I'm still waiting to hear how smokers are oppressed.

You sound so concerned. Are you that bored?

[Johnny Slick]

You sound so concerned. Are you that bored?He's bored of SMOKERS MAKING OUR LIVES A LIVING HELL!!!!!

Okay, that doesn't work. He said he was bored, is that enough?

[Matt]

Great news, everyone!!!!!


Oregon Strengthens Workplace Smoking Law
Oregon Governor Ted Kulongoski has signed legislation (Senate Bill 571) that prohibits smoking in all public places and places of employment, including bars and restaurants.

Under the law, no person may smoke within 10 feet of entrances, exits, windows that open, or ventilation intakes of public places or places of employment. The law takes effect on January 1, 2009.

If I hear any more great news, I will explode from pure joy!! Woo hoo!!!!

<end of thread>

[TheDude]

Great news, everyone!!!!!


Oregon Strengthens Workplace Smoking Law
Oregon Governor Ted Kulongoski has signed legislation (Senate Bill 571) that prohibits smoking in all public places and places of employment, including bars and restaurants.

Under the law, no person may smoke within 10 feet of entrances, exits, windows that open, or ventilation intakes of public places or places of employment. The law takes effect on January 1, 2009.

If I hear any more great news, I will explode from pure joy!! Woo hoo!!!!

<end of thread>

Nice to see you're on board with repealing the rediculous Washington smoking ban law. The Oregon law actually makes sense. In addition to only being 10' instead of 25':

"Under the new law, workplace smoking will be allowed in hotel or motel rooms designated for smoking (hotel/motel owners will be able to designate up to 25 percent of their rooms as smoking rooms) and smoke shops (businesses that are primarily engaged in the sale of tobacco products)."

If you didn't have your head so far up your ass, you'd understand that the majority of smokers are not against not being able to smoke indoors. We're just against the stupid draconian Wa indoor smoking ban law currently on the books.

[Matt]

Nice to see you're on board with repealing the rediculous [sic] Washington smoking ban law.Oh, you misunderstand. I'm not in favor of repealing Washington's clean-air law. It's a great law! Not as strict as I'd like, but it's a start. I smile every time I think about stupid smokers getting kicked out of bars. In fact, I laugh! It sounds like this: "Bwaa haaa haaaa!!!!!"

To clarify, I'm ecstatic about Oregon making their clean-air law more strict. That is AWESOME news!!! It's not as strict as Washington's but it's great that it's stricter than it was. You understand, don't you, moron?

<end of thread>

[TheDude]

Oh, you misunderstand. I'm not in favor of repealing Washington's clean-air law. It's a great law! Not as strict as I'd like, but it's a start. I smile every time I think about stupid smokers getting kicked out of bars. In fact, I laugh! It sounds like this: "Bwaa haaa haaaa!!!!!"

To clarify, I'm ecstatic about Oregon making their clean-air law more strict. That is AWESOME news!!! It's not as strict as Washington's but it's great that it's stricter than it was. You understand, don't you, moron?

<end of thread>

Well if you love Washintons law but think it should be more strict, then how can you be "ecstatic" about this law? It's definitely not nearly as strict at Washingtons...

I don't need an answer. You're not an advocate for health issues. You're not for fair and reasonable laws that make sense and address issues with the rights and freedoms of everyone involved in mind. You're just an asshole with nothing better to do than cite bars for infractions that you did not peronsally witness because you've never set foot in the establishment. You're pathetic.

[DrOctopu5]

You're pathetic.
A better summary of Matt's behavior has not been written yet.

Bless you. You have made Bebby Jeebus squeal.

[Jimmy Flame]

I believe that people smoke when they actually want a great big cock in their mouth.

Damn. Must be a lot of "closet blow-jobbers" out there!

[Jimmy Flame]

Oh, you misunderstand. I'm not in favor of repealing Washington's clean-air law. It's a great law! Not as strict as I'd like, but it's a start. I smile every time I think about stupid smokers getting kicked out of bars. In fact, I laugh! It sounds like this: "Bwaa haaa haaaa!!!!!"



<end of thread>

Hahahahaaaa... It's even funnier when people like yourself get kicked out too!