Stop The Smoking Ban!

[Shattered Roses]

Are you telling me that when you were 14, a dude crawling out of a subway in a rat suit with a sign that says "Cigarettes have cyanide, just like rat poison" would have effected you in any way?

Actually, yes. After something so traumatic as a rat man in a subway attacking me with a PSA, I would probably need a smoke to relax.

[Matt]

I would probably need a smoke to give me lung cancer, emphysema, hardened arteries, impotence, retardation, and really really stanky breath, hair, and clothes.Fixed it for you.

[freikja]

That's a good point.

If all your employees smoke and love it, your business could be all smoking all the time, who cares.

My idea would be a thematic bar - old cigarette commercials looped on a big screen, all kinds of vintage trays, print ads, smoke stands. I'd call the joint Lung Noir. On Sundays we'd show Thin Man and Charlie Chan movies. His Girl Friday. Dragnet and the Maltese Falcon. The block would be lined up every night. A gold mine.

How on earth did l miss this gem. You do it, l'll be there. l'll even be your cigarette girl. ln a frilly black and white lace number. Bending over a lot.

[Matt]

l'll even be your cigarette slut. ln a frilly black and white lace number that reeks of nasty cigarette smoke, just like my hair. Bending over a lot and throwing up. And if you kiss me, you'll know what it's like to kiss an ash tray.Fixed it for you.

[Cantiloper]

Matt wrote, "l'll even be your cigarette slut. ln a frilly black and white lace number that reeks of nasty cigarette smoke, just like my hair. Bending over a lot and throwing up. And if you kiss me, you'll know what it's like to kiss an ash tray."


Hello again Matt. It's good to see that you've continued to represent the high standards of decorum, rationality, and well-structured argumentation of the antismoking brigade while I was gone.


Michael J. McFadden
Author of "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains"

[Shattered Roses]

How on earth did l miss this gem. You do it, l'll be there. l'll even be your cigarette girl. ln a frilly black and white lace number. Bending over a lot.

Ah, now there's a good reason to start smoking!

[Cantiloper]

Matt wrote, "901 passed overwhemingly by the people. And you have the same opportunity to collect signatures and pass your tiny little initiative."

Really Matt? You mean the ACS will contribute a quarter of a million dollars to buy petition signatures to overturn the ban? Now all we need are for a few other antismoking groups to kick in a few million more for a comprehensive ad campaign and we'll be golden!

[Matt]

Cantiloper!!! What a blast from the past!!! Wow, I sure have missed you!!!*

In fact, to prove that you're always in my thoughts, I wrote a post just for you a few months back. Please check it out:
http://forums.thestranger.com/showpost.php?p=82593&postcount=1543

So how's that STATE-WIDE smoking ban throughout the entire state of Pennsylvania going for you? It looks like 89% of PA citizens absolutely love it (http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/548716/)!!!!

Btw, since you've been gone so long, here's another gem that I highly recommend. I know that you're musically inclined, so I'm confident you'll enjoy it:
http://forums.thestranger.com/showpost.php?p=94977&postcount=1625

xxxooo,
Matt


*false statement

[Cantiloper]

Matt wrote, "how's that STATE-WIDE smoking ban throughout the entire state of Pennsylvania going for you? "

Doin' just fine Matt. 3,000 bars officially exempted with perhaps another 3,000 quietly defying it altogether and another 4,000 or so defying it on the edges (late at night or when just regulars are there and such things). With a good 5 to 10 thousand places to choose from it hasn't affected me all that much.

Looks like Ohio may be joining us as well: the ban there has been such a disaster that Smoke Free Ohio or whatever it was got outright blasted into nothingness by the legislature and had their money confiscated (although their remnants are trying to get it back.)

Illinois ain't doin' so hot either from what I've heard: the entire Southern half of the state is in rebellion.

Minnesota's lost well over 100 million dollars in charitable tax gaming receipts so they're a bit miffed at having been told their ban would be "cost-free," and Atlantic City just voted to scuttle their full ban for at least a year (although they *did* manage to lose a few million during the one month it was in place - oddly enough the antismoking groups never stepped in to replace it.) Colorado is also considering backing off from its full ban so skiers may be happier and warmer soon (The chairwoman of the CO anti group is wailing "Why are we going back in time..." )
In Las Vegas the ban is a bigger joke than a free hooker, while in Kansas the fire to start a smoking ban has been compared to trying to rub sticks together. The Virginia House won't vote for a ban in adult establishments and won't even ban it in all-ages restaurants provided there's a room separation provision. Wyoming's ban attempt is in trouble after the Antis used tax money to line the highways with antismoking billboards just before the legislature's vote there - the outcome remains to be seen. Campus bans are spreading all over and being ignored/resisted all over - nice video at http://shipsmokeout.blogspot.com/ for that.

So things aren't going too badly overall I'd say. And I did check out the link to see what new and cogent arguments you've come up with in my absence and was suitably impressed by your tour-de-force, "dumbass nicotine addicts just keep whining and sniffling and wetting their pants. Hey, cold and rainy winter's coming up. Enjoy standing outside!!! Bwwaaa haaa haa..."

It may take me a while to research a proper response, but I'll see what I can do.


Michael J. McFadden
Author of "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains"

[Cantiloper]

Yesterday I wrote, "Illinois ain't doin' so hot either from what I've heard: the entire Southern half of the state is in rebellion." but I've just had some new information pop into my email box. "ain't doin' so hot" was an understatement.

It looks like the smoking ban has cost Illinois FOUR HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS so far in lost casino revenues.

Think the Antismokers are going to step up to bat and cover those losses for the taxpayers?

Fat chance: they'll laugh all the way to the bank.

[Abulafia]

Same quiet defiance here. I'm working at a bar right now that has fenced-off a smoking area right outside; just down the street is another, with the entire back area—outside—set aside, quietly, for smokers.

In each case, tables and chairs make it comfortable, and ashtrays keep it clean. In neither case is the outside area fewer than 20' from any other door or entrance to any other building.

[Cantiloper]

"Same quiet defiance here."

About three years ago, right in the beating heart of Antismoking Kingdom Come, Kookiefornia, an antismoking researcher was concerned that the ban wasn't being observed as well as it ought to be. Sooooo.... he grubbed up some grant money and did a study.

The results were even worse than he'd feared: close to 50% of the bars studied allowed smoking either full blown or on the edges at times.

Bad laws ultimately never survive. The Great Smoking Prohibition Experiment's days are numbered, though it'll be a very hard beast to truly put down. The smarter ones have gotten it written into laws and such that they have be funded into perpetuity. As long as the movement was riding on the coattails of the nuts it was weak, but once it got the infusions of Prop 99 money and then the MSA it became a true monster.

Still, even monsters can be slain.

[Cantiloper]

::sigh::

After such a warm welcome back, Matt seems to have forgotten me. Are there other smoking discussions floating around here that are distracting him? I'll have to take a look... I feel badly for the poor lonely boy....

[Matt]

Bad laws ultimately never survive.Perhaps, but none of the smoking bans are bad laws, so your statement is irrelevant.

Regardless, you can’t name a single state-wide smoking ban that has been completely reversed. Thus, even if you incorrectly view them as bad laws, they have all have survived. And will continue to survive. In fact, they are being strengthened (we’re now targeting smoking in cars, apartments, beaches, you name it). Why? Because everyone loves the clean air, and no one wants to go back to the days when the air was filled with stinky cancer-causing smoke.

[Matt]

So things aren't going too badly overall I'd say.Wow, after reading your posts, one would think momentum was all in the smokers’ favor and that smoking bans are going down to defeat left and right.

Funny, though, Pennsylvania didn’t have a smoking ban two years ago. Now it does. WA didn’t have a smoking ban 4 years ago. Now it does. In fact, the number of states with smoking bans has increased dramatically in the past 20 years. Efforts to ban smoking outdoors (beaches, parks, stadiums), in apartments, and in cars are gaining steam, laws that would have been unthinkable just 20 years ago.

Yeah, the mo’s in your favor. You betcha. (giggle)

The Great Smoking Prohibition Experiment's days are numberedBwaaaahaaaaaa!!!! In the nine days since Cantiloper wrote the above knee-slapper, Virginia (the HOME OF PHILIP MORRIS) passed a smoking ban!!!! (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/02/19/ST2009021901986.html) And Texas, Alabama, and Kansas are moving toward smoking bans. Yeah, smoke-free air is on its way out!!!! Whatever you say, Cantiloper!!!

Hey, Cantiloper, I know you specialized in propaganda at the U of PA, but unfortunately for you, the facts are on my side, not yours. Most unfortunately for you, I’m here to reveal your filthy lies.

(Btw, considering how bad you are at propaganda, you might want your money back from the U of PA.)

[Matt]

::sigh:: After such a warm welcome back, Matt seems to have forgotten me. Are there other smoking discussions floating around here that are distracting him? I'll have to take a look... I feel badly for the poor lonely boy....Oh, that’s rich. It took Cantiloper five months to respond to my last post addressed to him. But I go four days and he impatiently gets his panties all twisted up. What a whiner!!

Ironically, considering how I just metaphorically disemboweled your last posts, I’d think you’d be wiser to hope that I NOT respond to your lies.

[smallpoxchampion]

In 20 years, bars won't be allowed to serve alcohol because of the debilitating effects it has on the body including "stanky breath" (as the extremely educated put it).

Oh wait though, it's got nothing to do with health issues, as Matt pointed out. It's to do with living in a democracy. As I've understood it, a democracy has nothing to do with freedom and rights, but just doing whatever the majority wants to do. All countries should be modeled after the new America. (giggle)

[Monkeyfist]

So Matt are you as well against the inhaling of Medicinal Marijuana? Or the casual use of such product? I honestly would like to know your stance on this.

[Shattered Roses]

As I've understood it, a democracy has nothing to do with freedom and rights, but just doing whatever the majority wants to do. All countries should be modeled after the new America. (giggle)

You frighten me. So you support righteous tyranny?

In the words of C.S. Lewis:

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

[fawkes]

You frighten me. So you support righteous tyranny?

In the words of C.S. Lewis:

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

Just because C.S. Lewis says it, doesn't mean it is true. A robber baron acts according to their own conscience also. No system, righteous tyranny or idiotic plurality, is a truly righteous system to live under. Mistakes will always be made, the morally unjust will always prosper in some areas, and life will go on. Just because Narnia's creator tells you something, doesn't make it true.

In conclusion, I agree with smallpox that one of the greatest dangers in democracy is the tyranny of the majority (borrowing from Mill, but not saying I totally agree with him), but I also agree with SR, but in a more broad fashion. NO tyranny is acceptable to me.

[Shattered Roses]

Just because C.S. Lewis says it, doesn't mean it is true. Just because Narnia's creator tells you something, doesn't make it true.


I wasn't arguing that it was true because Lewis said it. I was using his words because he is more eloquent than I. I do truly hate Narnia, anyway.

A robber baron acts according to their own conscience also.


No. A robber baron acts against his own conscience. If, as you infer, humanity has a universal moral code, that would mean that this code is ignored by the "wicked," not altered.

No system, righteous tyranny or idiotic plurality, is a truly righteous system to live under. Mistakes will always be made, the morally unjust will always prosper in some areas, and life will go on.

You realize this is what Lewis was saying, right? Well, minus the "...life will go on" bit.

[fawkes]

No. A robber baron acts against his own conscience. If, as you infer, humanity has a universal moral code, that would mean that this code is ignored by the "wicked," not altered.

No, a robber baron feels that all that he is able to do to improve his position is moral. There are moral absolutes, but not everyone ascribes to them. Not everyone's conscience says the same thing to everyone. Pretty sure there wasn't a little voice whispering to Rockefeller telling him he was a bad man for getting money. Therefore, he was acting according to his own conscience, same as I do and you do.

You realize this is what Lewis was saying, right? Well, minus the "...life will go on" bit.

No. Lewis is saying one is better than the other. I'm saying they are both shit. Therefore, Lewis and I do not agree. I believe that government is a trapping that humanity will one day throw off, when they finally realize their own responsibility for dealing with the world's problems. But that won't be for a while, so that doesn't really matter. Lewis thinks that idiot democracy is better than righteous tyranny. I think that both will continually fail, and that life will go on. Democracy is probably slightly better, but only marginally so.

Lewis is supporting one type of government, I generally don't support ANY type of government. Therefore, him and I don't agree.

[Shattered Roses]

No, a robber baron feels that all that he is able to do to improve his position is moral.


No. He realizes that it is immoral, he just doesn't care. You are confusing immorality with amorality. The robber baron is not acting for the greater good, he is acting for his own good. This is NOT what Lewis was referring to. It has nothing to do with whether or not he believes that stealing is moral. The robber baron knows that it does not aid others; his tyranny is not pushed into continuous action because he doesn't feel that these people's lives depend on his action. He understands that what he does is tyranny, the "moral busybodies" do not.

Lewis is supporting one type of government, I generally don't support ANY type of government. Therefore, him and I don't agree.

He is not supporting either government. He is denouncing one by comparing it to what was at the time the most heinous form of government. That's like if he said, "The Vatican is worse than Hitler" and you responded with "I don't agree because both are bad."

[Matt]

And another thing, Cantiloper: Do you feel guilty about increasing the chances that your pets will get cancer?

"Secondhand smoke has been associated with a variety of problems in pets, including lymphomas in cats and nasal and lung cancer in dogs, the researchers say."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/health/17risk.html?_r=1&ref=research

[poochiekafelnikov]

never changed the cedar chips for any of my habitrail hamsters...countless rodents lived in a miserable and noxious ammonia-filled environ. every step they took was labored, and the exercise wheel rarely turned under their own power. admittedly, i derived a a sick and sad satisfaction from this experiment. when their lives ended i would create mock death certificates which would declare that they died from natural causes. i would then skin them and my sister would stitch stoles from their hides for her barbies. all other aspects of our lives suggested that we were relatively humane, as our dogs and cats were overfed and fatted, fur uncombed and matted.

[smallpoxchampion]

And another thing, Cantiloper: Do you feel guilty about increasing the chances that your pets will get cancer?

"Secondhand smoke has been associated with a variety of problems in pets, including lymphomas in cats and nasal and lung cancer in dogs, the researchers say."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/health/17risk.html?_r=1&ref=research

Cancer kills fuzzy wuzzy animals. Good point.

You know what else kills fuzzy wuzzy animals?

Eating them. (giggle)

[Mr Pajama Pants]

never changed the cedar chips for any of my habitrail hamsters...countless rodents lived in a miserable and noxious ammonia-filled environ. every step they took was labored, and the exercise wheel rarely turned under their own power. admittedly, i derived a a sick and sad satisfaction from this experiment. when their lives ended i would create mock death certificates which would declare that they died from natural causes. i would then skin them and my sister would stitch stoles from their hides for her barbies. all other aspects of our lives suggested that we were relatively humane, as our dogs and cats were overfed and fatted, fur uncombed and matted.

New favorite poochiepost.

If he asked me to, I would do dangerous, pyro Hollywood stunt work and commit fraud for poochie.

[Matt]

i would then skin them and my sister would stitch stoles from their hides for her barbies.You sick bastard. There will be a special place in hell for you. You'll need a suntan lotion with an SPF of one million. And you'll be surrounded by smokers. That would be hell for anyone.

[Slade]

Another topic that makes Darwin a fucking monkey!

my dad warned me about women
my mother warned me about driveing on ice
my brother warned me about joining the army
my sister warned me about the kids at her school
my neghbor warned me about the police
the police warned me about the criminal
my wife warned me about my freinds
my freinds warned me about my wife
nicotine kills ciggaretts kill bad bad bad not sexy or cool at all

been there

will you evolve to comprehend and respect the consiquence of your actions?!??!

not no but hell no! as pups we grow tired of the den and need to explore and as baby animals we make the choice to leave the den and in doing so we expose our selfs to the world

we will take part in everything from holocaust to genicide to suicide to incecticide and like baby wolf pups we will do exactly as we left the den! ears up, full of curiosity, dumb as a rock, full of stupid dreams.

We cant teach stupid animals to work for money and buy ciggaretts and whiskey.

but like the white man traded whiskey with native americans?

Well? we can sell refridgerators to eskimos if we are well endowed with bullshit!

Bush sold Congress on Iraq? we try hard to learn everything we can recall from the first day we leave the den

half the fun of life is being a monkeys uncle

[Matt]

we will take part in everything from holocaust to genicideYou sick bastard. There will be a special place in hell for you.

[Monkeyfist]

you said that already. Get some new material Seinfeld. By the way nice dodge on the marijuana question.

[Matt]

Dispatcher: What's your emergency?
Matt: I'd like to report a missing person.
Dispatcher: Name.
Matt: Matt
Dispatcher: No, the name of the person missing.
Matt: Cantiloper.
Dispatcher: When was this person last seen?
Matt: About a week ago.
Dispatcher: Where?
Matt: Uhh, running away, with his tail between his legs, like a pussy.
Dispatcher: Like a pussy, you say?
Matt: That's right.
Dispatcher: Can you describe this person.
Matt: Constantly spews lies, has a very whiny voice.
Dispatcher: Like a pussy.
Matt: That's right.
Dispatcher: Sounds like a guy in Philadelphia we know.
Matt: That's him.
Dispatcher: Can you think of a funny way to end this call?
Matt: Not really.
Dispatcher: Ok, bye.
Matt: Later, you pussy.

[freikja]

::sigh::

After such a warm welcome back, Matt seems to have forgotten me. Are there other smoking discussions floating around here that are distracting him?

No, he's just infecting this one. Thank the gods for all small favors.

[Matt]

Hey, freako, when's the deadline for submitting all your alleged signatures? I want to know when I can start gloating about your failure.

[freikja]

Hey, freako, when's the deadline for submitting all your alleged signatures? I want to know when I can start gloating about your failure.

Why in the fuck do l need to update you, asshole? Do something useful, like playing in a hyperbaric chamber with matches or something.

[Matt]

Why in the fuck do l need to update you, asshole? Do something useful, like playing in a hyperbaric chamber with matches or something.Translation:
(1) I don't know when the deadline is because I never seriously planned to get signatures for an initiative.
(2) I couldn't get any signatures, so I gave up.
(3) Unlike Matt, who stands by his principles and got signatures for 901, freikja is all talk.

[Monkeyfist]

Translation:
(1) I don't know when the deadline is because I never seriously planned to get signatures for an initiative.
(2) I couldn't get any signatures, so I gave up.
(3) Unlike Matt, who stands by his principles and got signatures for 901, freikja is all talk.

Matt, you smarmy devil you... Hows about responding to the question you have been asked several times over. You can run but you can't hide.

I'm bettin' he voted for Nixon.

[Gazelam]

I'm starting to think Matt is part of the eggnog/slade axis. Awesome.

[Shattered Roses]

I'm starting to think Matt is part of the eggnog/slade axis. Awesome.

No. eggnog writes good poetry.

[Ballard Pimp]

I'm bettin' he voted for Nixon.

No way. He voted for George Wallace.

Not the Black comedian.

[freikja]

Translation:
(1) I don't know when the deadline is because I never seriously planned to get signatures for an initiative.
(2) I couldn't get any signatures, so I gave up.
(3) Unlike Matt, who stands by his principles and got signatures for 901, freikja is all talk.

Yeah, l saw that coming a mile away. You're just pissed l'm not giving it up. Fuck off, little worm. l've got enough going on in my life that the amusement l gained from smacking you down is no longer quite as important. So you'll know when you know. ln the meantime, l suggest you buy a butt plug.

[Gazelam]

No. eggnog writes good poetry.

What about Slade?

[Shattered Roses]

What about Slade?

His invented words are more creative.

For example: politipiggies > smoketards

[Matt]

No. eggnog writes good poetry.You're just jealous. My poetry (http://forums.thestranger.com/showpost.php?p=94977&postcount=1625) is superb. Not only that, but I'm also a promising playwright (http://forums.thestranger.com/showpost.php?p=113642&postcount=1782).

Artistic as well as always right. That just burns you, doesn't it.


Hey, seriously: Where is Cantiloper? I'm starting to worry about him.

[shredderwench]

Hello All,

I just got back into town after a month away and it seems that the Kangaroo and Kiwi has given me a little welcome home present; they've banned smoking on they're little patio enclosure on the sidewalk!!!

Way to go!! Pressure needs to be kept up on some other places though...Linda's is notorious for it's smoking deck as is Uber, Park Pub and Sully's.

[Matt]

That is indeed good news.

Here's some more: Why not hiring smokers is a win-win idea (http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2009/03/you_docs_why_not_hiring_smoker.html)

[freikja]

That is indeed good news.

Here's some more: Why not hiring smokers is a win-win idea (http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2009/03/you_docs_why_not_hiring_smoker.html)

The Oregonian is hardly a credible resource on smoking issues.

Houle and Siegel called for a closer look at the health impacts of not hiring smokers, because they're not sure the policy reduces smoking. Well, guess what, gentlemen: In Cuyahoga County, home of the Cleveland Clinic (which does not hire smokers), smoking dropped from 24.8 percent to 18.3 percent in the three years after the policy started.

lf you'd bothered to check, o intellectual one, population in Cuyahoga County dropped significantly over that time, which is why smoking increased elsewhere in the state. lt's not that people quit smoking, you ingrate. lt's that people decided to move out of a county that discriminates against smokers. Most find prejudice to be an ugly thing.

Our greatest cost disadvantage with Europe and Asia for jobs is medical costs. Ours are twice as high as Europe's and three times as high as Asia's.

As the article points out, only one of these high medical costs includes smoking. lt would like you to believe that the highest risk is smoking, except when you do a simple search for the top health risks in America, obesity seems to be the prevalent one. Which makes sense. lt's sad that assholes like the ones writing this article are so concerned with nonsmoking jobs in a recession like this one. People need to start pulling their heads out of their asses if we're going to survive this. Smoking is the least of our fucking worries right now.

[Matt]

Hey freikjob, when you try to gather signatures for your initiative, which of the following is the most common response from people?
(1) "Fuck off"
(2) "Are you stupid?"
(3) "Are you stupid? Fuck off."

[shredderwench]

Join me here
http://www.kingcounty.gov/healthservices/health/drugs/tobacco/report.aspx

in reporting on the illegal deck and patio smoking at Sully's and the Park Pub at 62nd and Phinney.

Summer's coming, let's take back the decks!!

[Slade]

http://www.falloutcentral.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/chinese-kid-smoking.jpg



you could help people stop smoking?

leisure time is at a maximum price these days for for snot slingers and booger flickers to be out protesting bad habits?

as more smokers will usually move where you ask if you need to be up wind?

be a fucking super hero and pass out some gum and nicotine patches

and? oh yea? this is Seattle Washington so if cost 3 bucks a day just to cross a bridge and 5000 bucks a day to stay in a hospital? you can stop with the he said she said bullshit cuz yall look like some inbred insane hillbilly's yacking out the side of your neck?


its like Smoking is very very bad for "two" reasons? Its physicaly damaging and its one of the most addicting drugs there are.

not to mention congress was happy to let tobacco companies put all kinds of crap and toxins in the smokes for decades?

still none the less in true American wisdom for every fucking nightmare out there I got five jerks who want to turn the nightmare into five nightmares and make it worse for people not even involved

[Matt]

you can stop with the he said she said bullshit cuz yall look like some inbred insane hillbilly's yacking out the side of your neck?
Ummmm . . . . . . what?

[Slade]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbPn83F89UY&feature=channel_page

Hillbillys laikez thar links above.

[Matt]

Slade, don't make me boot you off this forum.

[freikja]

Hey freikjob, when you try to gather signatures for your initiative, which of the following is the most common response from people?
(1) "Fuck off"
(2) "Are you stupid?"
(3) "Are you stupid? Fuck off."

Actually, l just tell them about the one who inspired it, and they all go, "What a dick. l'll sign just to stick it to that asshole." That includes nonsmokers.

[Shattered Roses]

Actually, l just tell them about the one who inspired it, and they all go, "What a dick. l'll sign just to stick it to that asshole." That includes nonsmokers.

I'm going to be honest, I am not against a smoking ban in theory. I find your initiative to be somewhat counteractive in terms of community health. However, I also believe that the 25 foot rule is ridiculous, because it makes designated outdoor smoking areas impractical and also is a bit excessive. So, I would sign an initiative in support of an amendment or revision that eliminates or least significantly lessens the 25-foot rule.

[Slade]

Wheels you aint gona change the 25 ft rule? you aint aint gona find cops in a hurry to to race around giveing fines to clubs trying to do the best they can to comply but you can find strong arms trying to cause trouble for what ever stupid reason.

It dont take long for a heroin addict to figure out where the next fix is going to be earned stole or blackmailed?

human dumb ass factor makes your 25ft rule as a geneneral rule and not to be mesured and marked much like the 30 ft from the curb parking?

no thats not marked?

but since you tend to get your panties in wad and get defencive over being called hillbillys.

and since this topic amounts to a box of corn flakes

I shall leave you alone.


spend your weekends in total lack of enjoyment and saticfaction?

get out there and be a pain!?

see if I care!?

[Matt]

Smoking causes Slade.

Nuf said.

[Monkeyfist]

Slade, don't make me boot you off this forum.

Please... Don't try to feign that you even remotely have the power or influence to do anything of the sort. Your a petty tyrant who thrives off flaunting something that is worth about as much as a warm bucket of hamster vomit. Your a ruse, a rube, and a schmuck! You have dodged questions that regardless of your answer would poke holes in your little 5 man parade, and quite likely will end up alone with your trophy and with little to show for it.

Give the world a break and fuck off your damn self...

[Slade]

(LOL smoking causes slade)

Unprotected sex causes Matt

Yes MF Matt wields the power of forum ruler with nasty ruleins and vengeful infractions?

But its just jealousy as I look like Brad pits Better looking brother and I can shake my ass around like a metro bus and I'm one of those artsy fartsy musicians full of love and happy and peanut butter and honey samiches that women just go ape shit over.

It has nothing to do with Im an ass hole causeing trouble calling folks stupid inbred insane hillbillys from outer space.

Absolutely nothing!?

[Matt]

a warm bucket of hamster vomitMmm, hamster vomit. Sounds tasty. Can I have that with a side of cancer?

[Shattered Roses]

Unprotected sex causes Matt
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But its just jealousy as I look like Brad pits Better looking brother and I can shake my ass around like a metro bus and I'm one of those artsy fartsy musicians full of love and happy and peanut butter and honey samiches that women just go ape shit over.


Why don't people like you, again? Other than your interesting style of punctuation, I have forgotten the reason you are ignored here.

This made me laugh, honest mister!

[Monkeyfist]

Mmm, hamster vomit. Sounds tasty. Can I have that with a side of cancer?

Nice comeback Matt now wipe the vomit off your chin... And answer my question!

[freikja]

So, I would sign an initiative in support of an amendment or revision that eliminates or least significantly lessens the 25-foot rule.

Uh, dude? That's precisely what l'm doing. l'm not trying to repeal the ban itself, as l've pointed out repeatedly that l don't have a problem with that bit.
No offense, but if you've read anything l've said on the subject, l think that part would be clear. Guess not.

[Shattered Roses]

No offense, but if you've read anything l've said on the subject, l think that part would be clear. Guess not.

I have not read anything you've written because I assumed it was in support of repealing the ban. Forgive my assumption. We cool, girl?

[freikja]

I have not read anything you've written because I assumed it was in support of repealing the ban. Forgive my assumption.

That'll learn ya.

We cool, girl?

We cool. l was just sayin.

[Matt]

Actually, l just tell them about the one who inspired itSo, I inspired you? How touching. I'm flattered.

No offense, but if you've read anything l've said on the subject, l think that part would be clear. Guess not.Wow, talk about touchy. Freikja is very unpleasant, isn't she, Shattered?

Btw, I'm looking into the possibility of starting a new initiative next year that will increase the size of the ban from 25 feet to 30 feet.

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[Monkeyfist]

Matt smells like poo. And is scared of answering my question...

[Shattered Roses]

Matt. My name is Shattered Roses. Say it: Shattered Roses. Not ShatteredRose or anything else you cook up.

[Ballard Pimp]

Matt smells like poo. And is scared of answering my question...

Matt reported this post to all the mods, saying that his poor, pitiful wittle feelings was hurt, and he wanted us to fix it.

My reply is to suggest that Matt suck his thumb or some other convenient artifact.

[Matt]

Matt reported this post to all the mods, saying that his poor, pitiful wittle feelings was hurt, and he wanted us to fix it.Oh, I was just having a little fun. I knew you pussies wouldn't enforce your own rules.

Hey, BP, how come you didn't tell us that YOU gave ME an infraction for hurting YOUR poor wittle feelings (when I wrote "Ballard Pimp Sucks")? Hypocrite much, pussy?

Methinks BP is still smarting over the following post:

http://forums.thestranger.com/showpost.php?p=113956&postcount=64

Yeah. Ouch.

[Ballard Pimp]

I didn't. That infraction was for the riff you did on Monkeyfist.

[Shattered Roses]

Hey, BP, how come you didn't tell us that YOU gave ME an infraction for hurting YOUR poor wittle feelings (when I wrote "Ballard Pimp Sucks")? Hypocrite much, pussy?


Jesus, just answer MF's question! Do you or do you not support "the inhaling of Medicinal Marijuana? Or the casual use of such product?"

It's a simple, non-loaded question.

[Matt]

I didn't. That infraction was for the riff you did on Monkeyfist.No, it wasn't.

But no matter. The important thing is that you admit you gave me an infraction because someone had their tiny wittle fee-wings hurt. Perhaps you and Monkeyhair should . . . what was it you said? . . . . oh yes, perhaps the two of you sensitive types should "suck on your thumbs."

Hypocrite bitch. Hee hee.

[Shattered Roses]

And yet he still refuses. Telling, yes. Surprising, no.

[Monkeyfist]

Your a coward Matt. Say what ever you will, it is meaningless from hereon.

[Slade]

Have no fear Matt! Slade Is here to save you! stand behind me and I will deal with these Rude'ys.


O.K. BP and Monkey Fist! Stop your "Lord of the flys" Spear Chucking and Leave poor Matt Alone!

If you dont i will Infract you and have you terminated with extream prejudist and then i will get really mean!


Now kiss and pat eatch others Butt and make up!

[Monkeyfist]

No way Slade! I have the Conch!!! To hell with Piggy! I have the Conch!!!

[Slade]

If you and BP and Meherenowie be good you can all go to the farm for a whole week and operate the slaughter house and kill and chop up the Animals for market. Happy Happy Chop Chop!

You can even drag the rifles out into the woods and shoot at everything.

[Monkeyfist]

As long as Rudie don't mind...

[Matt]

Well said, mathsin.

[Ballard Pimp]

Smoking is the worst habit a person can have

I'm sure Ted Bundy would agree. I know that Adolf Hitler agreed.

[Matt]

This doesn't sound good for smoketards:

"Bad habit may end up in impotency (http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/story.aspx?Title=Bad+habit+may+end+up+in+impotency ,+BMI+complications&artid=g8JxWPqZfbs=&SectionID=mvKkT3vj5ZA=&MainSectionID=fyV9T2jIa4A=&SectionName=nUFeEOBkuKw=&SEO=)"

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