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Jim Demetre
August 3rd, 2005, 11:14 AM
from Artdish:

http://www.artdish.com/ubbcgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=000051

Dear Readers.

I was alarmed to read yesterday that our president is now officially on record saying that public schools should teach “Intelligent Design” along with evolution:

http://politics.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050802/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_intelligent_design

There is so much to be concerned about when it comes to the Bush administration it is difficult to know where to begin. For me, the most troubling thing about the ruling party is their attack upon science and the scientific method. It is not simply about the professional field of science -- something the White House and Congressional Republicans have chosen to totally disregard -- but the basic process of examining empirical data to form truths.

The widespread acceptance of this method during the Enlightenment has provided the basis for society as we know it. The dual forces that have defined the United States and the modern world itself -- Democracy and Capitalism -- could not exist if the populace had not collectively agreed to operate on this principle.

It is clear now that George W. Bush and the economic forces he represents want to reverse this historical development, replacing representative democracy and free enterprise with a secretive, autocratic, monopolistic plutocracy .

Bush’s economic policies are predicated upon a notion that tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans will improve the economy. And their environmental policy? The president and his men deny the evidence of global warming so that they can push for further industrial deregulation. When it comes to foreign policy, things get ugly too. We invade Iraq to eliminate Weapons of Mass Destruction when there is no evidence of Weapons of Mass Destruction. After we lay waste to this already broken nation, we expect it to transition immediately into peaceful Western-style democracy. While the world waits for these events to take place, billions of dollars find their way to the president’s campaign contributors in the form of government contracts.

More recently Bush has chosen to dig in his heels on the subject of stem cell research, equating the use of unused embryos (that would otherwise be discarded) with murder.

The “faith-based” culture Bush espouses is an elaborate ruse. While it may appeal to the worldview of the religious right, it has a more insidious purpose; the dismemberment the regulatory force of government and consolidation of power in the hands of capital.

What Bush, Cheney, and the rest of the Republican power structure fail to grasp as they attempt to undermine critical thinking in favor of unquestioning patriotism and religion is that their success will ultimately bring about the end of the United States’ economic power and political influence.

The rise of fundamentalism is always evidence of a culture in decline. Nations that embrace religious extremism (like Pakistan) are economic basket cases where people have abandoned hope for a better life on this earth. Even in the United States’ so-called “red” states, ambitious young men and women leave for “blue” states where they can participate in a growing economy and live in a tolerant society. Those who stay behind to work in the few remaining resource industry jobs have given up on the idea of social mobility and thus, education itself. Some sit around and wait for the End Times, others greet them head-on by enlisting in the military and going to Iraq. This may be the America that votes for Bush, but it is not the America we want to leave for future generations.

With China and India poised to become superpowers, the U.S. should be running scared. Instead our leaders seem determined to return our nation to the pre-Enlightenment world that brought about the American Revolution in the first place.


Jim Demetre

Artdish Editor

www.artdish.com

waxfanatic
August 4th, 2005, 04:55 AM
Reading that post was a reminder of some of the reasons why the republicans have become the majority. A. Democrats/liberals/progs come off looking like jack asses and fascists when they put on their indignant outrage act every time someone expresses an opinion they don't approve of. So the guy takes an interest in intelligent design.. so what? Last time I checked the opinion of a president never translated into a nation wide curriculum change.
B. Democrats/libs/progs come off as simple minded, doom loving, desperate twits when making dire predictions based on one dimensional logic that reflects current thinking on the left and has absolutely nothing to do with the complex social, political and economic dynamics that will actually shape the future.
In short - as it appears your statement reflects your politics not reality it comes off as morbid wishful thinking.

This doesn't leave a voter with much of a choice. Though they may not want the republican.. they definitely don't want you.
You're pretty insullated from political reality here in what Camile Paglia would call a political ghetto. Its unfortunate.

Wake up, lose the Bush bashing pedantics and realize that one of the reasons the repubs keep handing you your asses is because they actually run against democrats..and democrats have been running against these childish republican stereo types they've invented and used so often they think they're real.

What happened to this party I'll never know - either get a grip or get out of the way.

Jim Demetre
August 4th, 2005, 08:12 AM
Why don't you quit whining about about my "Bush bashing" and answer my accusation? Does the current Republican Party have an agenda that rejects scientific principles?

GQ-MarkDawg
August 4th, 2005, 10:18 AM
Ok at this point I don't want to here any freaking Right winger wine about Bush Bashing. Let me see the 90's was so full of Clinton bashing its hard to remember any thing else. I got an Idea I will say what you Always say GET OVER IT. Now Bush is a complete rube and cares noting about facts just his own twisted reality. Not only did he come out with Intelligent Design this is just crap and has nothing to do with anything resembling science. He says in his state of the union address that congress needs to clean up steroids in baseball (Bush a former owner) then one of the most high profile players test positive for the same steroid that Ben Johnson was busted for. The player in question testified before congress and declared vigorously that he never took any steroids. Mr. Palmero stated he didn't know how the test came out positive. Then the worst president ever Bush comes out and says Palmero is my friend and I believe him. He has been busted the jig is up it's over he has been caught this isn't a judgment call this is clear. It's just like Global warming the wing wont look at the science.

caustic meatloaf
August 4th, 2005, 03:18 PM
Why don't you quit whining about about my "Bush bashing" and answer my accusation? Does the current Republican Party have an agenda that rejects scientific principles?


Yeah, ok, You're right. Happy? Not, shut the hell up.


The democrats have been taking it up the poop-shooter now for 10 years. Why? Because many of the ones getting public attention are arrogant, accusatory, and anti-progress assholes. Does that sound like a formula for election?


The republicans have their own troubles, but in one thing they are masters: getting votes. Why? Because they do the classic, tried and true means for politicans to get votes: blow smoke up the assess of the voters, kiss babies, give out candy to kids, and promise a positive future.



Key here: promise a positive future. No matter what the difficulties, they always project an optimistic view of the future. Most voters really like the idea of leaving something better behind for future generations, and they will vote for those who tell them that they can help realize that goal. All democrats do is criticize and naysay. IF they want to win some elections, it's about time they start presenting their own rosy future plan FIRST, and then decry the failings of the replublican plan SECOND. All the voters see, currently, is a brat-nosed bunch of annoying egocrats with no solid, positive plan for the future.

chops
August 4th, 2005, 04:06 PM
The republicans have their own troubles, but in one thing they are masters: getting votes. Why? Because they do the classic, tried and true means for politicans to get votes: blow smoke up the assess of the voters, kiss babies, give out candy to kids, and promise a positive future.


and personally attack opponents with slander (http://bartcopnation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=522). and more lies (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21239-2004Aug21.html).
and gerrymander (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-12-10-scotus-redistricting_x.htm).
and suppress inner-city voting (http://alternet.org/election04/20283/).
and stuff the pockets of big business (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63958-2005Apr18.html).

dems certainly have work to do.
it takes a lot of balls to be as corrupt as a republican.
and a tiny brain to just let it happen.

Rain Monkey
August 4th, 2005, 08:32 PM
I was delighted to see Jim Demeter's post about the culture war to turn back the clock to the good old dark ages. I think that this idea should not get lost in the red v. blue tussle.

The specific religious tradition that now holds control of the Republican Party, the White House, the Congress, and soon the Supreme Court, was considered a fringe element in American politics before the Reagan administration. Prior to the civil rights movement evangelical christians where mostly Democrats. While Nixon saw the opportunity in their disaffection with the Democrats, he did not pander to them. George H.W. Bush also did not pander to them, and they didn't like it.

The ideas that Jim Demeter refers to in the turning away from reason, and the turning away from equality, in favor of a caste system and faith unchallenged by knowledge, these are differences that are theological more than political.

For a quick review of the Age of Enlightenment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Enlightenment

Rane Stone
August 6th, 2005, 06:37 PM
Now remember, Ronald Reagan was a card carrying Democrat for YEARS, and he left the democratic party when all the kids starting peeing in the pool. He did exactly what politicians are suppose to do; smile, be optimistic, kiss babies, and look interested in the issues of the world. The Dems got back into the White House for 8 years because they found a Democrat that could do that too, Bill Clinton...

...but we all know Al Gore had a horrible first and last name that was simply unpresidential, and he looked like Frankenstien, and John Kerry looked like fucking Treebeard from the LOTR...which proves once again how shallow and cosmetic the American people are and how a name and your appearence have alot to do with your successes and failures.

On the other hand, Bush looks likes a Monkey...but his wife sold him as a leader to the rest of "Heartland America" heads and shoulders over what Heinz did for her man. American men were scared to death of her and she was just unruly and really...she needed to be controlled, and she was uncontrollable.

NOW...do I agree with all that I just said, NO, but that is the ballgame ladies and gentlemen, and sometimes, it's all about how you play that ballgame that gets you anywhere in the world of professional politics.

Tenfold
August 7th, 2005, 04:02 PM
from Artdish:


With China and India poised to become superpowers, the U.S. should be running scared. Instead our leaders seem determined to return our nation to the pre-Enlightenment world that brought about the American Revolution in the first place.


www.artdish.com

So what do you suggest we do instead? Make sure we don't change the curriculum we teach to 9th graders in order to secure our place as #1 superpower?! Good plan, ass. They're wanting to teach this as a THEORY, not as the only idea out there. This isn't the end of the world, so you can come out of your bomb shelter now.

greencassie
August 11th, 2005, 10:49 AM
i will be as clear as possible----the current 2 party system we have is a fucking joke--there is little difference between dems and reps. they all have stupid agends that will continue to make the US be a joke. and anyways the EARTH is beyond carrying capacity and when it caves in on us do you think politics will even matter---who knows maybe???

greencassie
August 11th, 2005, 10:52 AM
hey Rane--congrats on your CD release!!

caustic meatloaf
August 11th, 2005, 04:41 PM
and personally attack opponents with slander (http://bartcopnation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=522). and more lies (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21239-2004Aug21.html).
and gerrymander (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-12-10-scotus-redistricting_x.htm).
and suppress inner-city voting (http://alternet.org/election04/20283/).
and stuff the pockets of big business (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63958-2005Apr18.html).

dems certainly have work to do.
it takes a lot of balls to be as corrupt as a republican.
and a tiny brain to just let it happen.



Last I checked, the Democrats aren't the innocent maidens of propriety either. Look to your own house before you judge others. If you want a history of corruption, They're just as bad.

caustic meatloaf
August 11th, 2005, 04:53 PM
i will be as clear as possible----the current 2 party system we have is a fucking joke--there is little difference between dems and reps. they all have stupid agends that will continue to make the US be a joke. and anyways the EARTH is beyond carrying capacity and when it caves in on us do you think politics will even matter---who knows maybe???


Overpopulation is a joke. Seriously. If you go by the standard overpopulation metric of "what the land cannot naturally support", then we've been overpopulated since we first discovered agriculture. If you want to solve the problems of world hunger and poor living conditions, don't be so moronic to blame it on too many people. It's politics around the WORLD, not just here at home, that make people hungry. That warlord in Somalia is more responsible for the starvation in that country than too many people breeding in Indonesia.

greencassie
August 11th, 2005, 05:51 PM
Overpopulation is a joke. Seriously. If you go by the standard overpopulation metric of "what the land cannot naturally support", then we've been overpopulated since we first discovered agriculture. If you want to solve the problems of world hunger and poor living conditions, don't be so moronic to blame it on too many people. It's politics around the WORLD, not just here at home, that make people hungry. That warlord in Somalia is more responsible for the starvation in that country than too many people breeding in Indonesia.


hmm, did i say i was going to solve anything! fuck that! anyways overpop. is something hard to realize in this little bubble of an area we live in. tooooo many people is the very root of all environmental problems on this tiny planet..oh yeah there i go using that e-word! and yeah you could be right we were probably overpopulated a LONG time ago