Hurricane Katrina

[alithea]

between the above ground graves and the casualties from the actual hurricane, there is obviously hella corpses in the stagnant flood water that is covering 80% of the city. um, i think you all know what this means: all the corpses and cadavers are going to turn into zombies.

so MAYBE the red cross should get their priorities in line and forget giving survivors "drinking water" and "food" and start handing out what theyre REALLY going to need:

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[elswinger]

Shouldn't this be moved to "Asshole Pen"?

[Molotov]

Nah.









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[K_info]

Patrick Rhode, FEMA's deputy director, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/02/national/nationalspecial/02response.html?pagewanted=3&ei=5094&en=9ef3f7389573ef2a&hp&ex=1125633600&partner=homepage"> insisted that "this has been probably one of the most efficient and effective responses in the country's history."</a>


Google "Typhoon Talim." And hang your head in shame, you inept FEMA hack.

[Media Tracker]

Check out this link for a personal perspective on the New Orleans aftermath
http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/

[elswinger]

Patrick Rhode, FEMA's deputy director, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/02/national/nationalspecial/02response.html?pagewanted=3&ei=5094&en=9ef3f7389573ef2a&hp&ex=1125633600&partner=homepage"> insisted that "this has been probably one of the most efficient and effective responses in the country's history."</a>


Google "Typhoon Talim." And hang your head in shame, you inept FEMA hack.

He needs to go down to New Orleans and say that to peoples faces.

[firedemon]

Stop blaming Fema and look at the real problem. The 17th street canal broke allowing the water from lake Ponchatrain to flow through the city streets. The U.S. Army corps of engineers knew about this for years and also knew that these effects could occur. Fema is trying as hard as they can to serve these desperate hot, hungry, and irate people. People are shooting at Fema workers and helicopters. Fires are breaking out all over the city. So enough of your blame game bullshit. I just moved here from New Orleans which by far is the most uneducated city I have ever lived in. You don't know shit, you wouldn't know what the fuck to do in this situation because you come from a nice little white enviorment. My point is the government and Fema and the Red Cross and other organizations are trying to save these people the best they can while they are dealing with fucks shooting at them.

K Magnum

[K_info]

Actually the feds knew about the 17th street levee break on Monday afternoon, yet chose to do nothing all day Tuesday. What happened afterward, and after they continued to do nothing, was predictable.

"It's hard"? Is that your excuse for them? Not when it's their job.

I might add that the looting was and now is largely confined to Orleans Parish. There are entire outlying areas of 40-60,000 homes like St. Bernard Parish with no looting where people are dying on docks and rooftops because no one is coming.

Why don't you listen to your former mayor speak the truth? Just sit back and take it because even your own douche president has admitted the federal response sucked:

Link 1 (http://a901.g.akamai.net/7/901/13186/v002/airamerica.download.akamai.com/13186/aarplace/media/Nagin.mp3)
Link 2 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9173940/site/newsweek/)
Transcript (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/2/10464/35608)

Without Mayor Ray Nagin, we probably wouldn't even know about the 17th street levee break. Considering that he was the one who brought it to the feds' attention ON MONDAY, FIVE FUCKING DAYS AGO! Stop making excuses for the government. It's really pathetic. Not only can't we hold a sandbox in the middle east, but now China has kicked our ass in hurricane preparedness while we can't drop a couple pallets of bottled water. Heads should fucking roll. It's their goddamned job, and they're Hoovering our tax money.

[Jimmy Flame]

I am just fucking blown away by the lack of support by our president... It is sad and he should be ashamed of himself. Food and water should have been airlifted nearby IMMEDIATLEY! Ahhhk! I don't know what to say...

[Mason]

It is not only the president's fault. It would be a shame to let the rest of the guilty parties get off the hook that easy.

[Lucius Bolivar]

Stop blaming Fema and look at the real problem. The 17th street canal broke allowing the water from lake Ponchatrain to flow through the city streets. The U.S. Army corps of engineers knew about this for years and also knew that these effects could occur. Fema is trying as hard as they can to serve these desperate hot, hungry, and irate people. People are shooting at Fema workers and helicopters. Fires are breaking out all over the city. So enough of your blame game bullshit. I just moved here from New Orleans which by far is the most uneducated city I have ever lived in. You don't know shit, you wouldn't know what the fuck to do in this situation because you come from a nice little white enviorment. My point is the government and Fema and the Red Cross and other organizations are trying to save these people the best they can while they are dealing with fucks shooting at them.

K Magnum

People shooting is still no excuse for not getting resources into New Orleans. If somebody shoots at a US helicopter in Iraq, it doesn't send the whole US Army running away.

[donatesearch]

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[Rain Monkey]

Why don't Google ads show up? Not that I'm complaining, but MSN ads are corporate, google ads are mom and pop shops.

I advertise on google, and I would be delighted if part of the money I spend on promotion went to aid disaster victims.

Anyway, thanks for the effort and I hope it works.

[jabaalon]

I have friends in New Orleans and they knew 48 hours in advance it was going to happen and they got out. It is not like they were blindsided.

[Rain Monkey]

I'm guessing that you are unfamiliar with the idea that some people cannot just climb into their SUV and drive away, replenishing their wallets at any ATM.

It's kind of like the same reason that when poor people run out of bread they don't just eat cake instead.

[donatesearch]

Why don't Google ads show up? Not that I'm complaining, but MSN ads are corporate, google ads are mom and pop shops.

I advertise on google, and I would be delighted is part of the money I spend on promotion went to aid disaster victims.

Anyway, thanks for the effort and I hope it works.

Google and Yahoo feeds are not authorized to use for search engines. MSN, Altavista, DMOZ, and a few others are the only ones I know of.

Ad wise, its not practical to use google ads for this type of site. I believe it would be against their TOS anyway. Everything seems to be. :)

[bdunbar]

People shooting is still no excuse for not getting resources into New Orleans. If somebody shoots at a US helicopter in Iraq, it doesn't send the whole US Army running away.

You would like it a whole lot less if the troops being shot at were to respond to the snipers as if they WERE in Iraq.

The Army choosing to withdraw in the face of fire is to spare the folks shooting - and the innocent lives around them - not force preservation.

[you_gotta_be_kidding_me]

I'm guessing that you are unfamiliar with the idea that some people cannot just climb into their SUV and drive away, replenishing their wallets at any ATM.

It's kind of like the same reason that when poor people run out of bread they don't just eat cake instead.

My great, great, great, grandfather was poor, orphaned, and in a bad place geographically. At age 16 he walked across the country in winter in peril of Indian attack, gathering what food he could along the way and couldn't even find a ATM, never mind that he did not have anything in his wallet and there was no refugee camp waiting for him, just what he could claw out of the land alone and on his own when he got “there”. Most of the people who ignored the warnings to leave N.O. (obviously excluding the very old and infirm) seem to have had strength enough to carry off flat screen TV’s the day after. I'm sure they could have walked (at no cost) to higher ground in the three days leading up to the storm.

I have lived in the Deep South, and this is a classic example of the complete inability of the Southern entitlement society to exert ANY effort to care for themselves. They (black & white alike) have been conditioned by government welfare to expect to be taken care of by the system.

While I feel great sympathy for the sick and old (shame on the mayor for not evacuating them) I can only feel disgust for the rest, they should have put down the malt liquor and the cigarettes and started walking three days before the storm hit. (Oh, but then they would miss out on the “undocumented shopping”.)

I can’t believe that we live in a world where we accept that people can only travel on wheels…

[Gomezticator]

Ho, ho holy shit. You had a point there, and then just fell off the tracks.

You're telling the poorest able-bodied members of an entire city, 100,000 people, to start walking in 90 degree weather with 90% humidity. Have you ever walked a block in that kind of muggy weather, you_gotsta_be_kiddin_me? I've lived in Texas and I can tell you it's agonizing: just STANDING in the weather is suffocating. Try WALKING in it, just for a block, let alone for THREE DAYS, as you suggest. Most of the walking evacuees would be perfectly healthy... and half of them would collapse from heat exhaustion, heat stroke, breathing trouble, heart attacks and so on. Try getting those people off the roadways before the storm hit, let alone getting the rest of the walking nomads, who will likely be dehydrated and/or vomiting before lunch, to some sort of shelter.

Welfare schmelfare. Entitlement my ass. Where the fuck were they gonna walk? The Superdome!... oh wait.

And there would have been no looting had there been a sufficient, supplied police force patrolling what was left of the city.

I want to see you walk up to Aaron Broussard and tell him to his face that the building manager's mother would have lived if he had just put down the malt liquor and cigarettes.

[Rain Monkey]

That "product of the entitlement society," routine was straight off of Rush Limbaugh's rant this morning. I heard the same shit rolling through from Howard Stern to Al Franken, while I was driving through Tacoma.

I guess that is today's spin, that all these years of welfare makes people just sit around and wait for a government bailout. Hey, it all started on those cozy plantations. Never having to find a job and all.

[you_gotta_be_kidding_me]

Ho, ho holy shit. You had a point there, and then just fell off the tracks.

You're telling the poorest able-bodied members of an entire city, 100,000 people, to start walking in 90 degree weather with 90% humidity. Have you ever walked a block in that kind of muggy weather, you_gotsta_be_kiddin_me? I've lived in Texas and I can tell you it's agonizing: just STANDING in the weather is suffocating. Try WALKING in it, just for a block, let alone for THREE DAYS, as you suggest. Most of the walking evacuees would be perfectly healthy... and half of them would collapse from heat exhaustion, heat stroke, breathing trouble, heart attacks and so on. Try getting those people off the roadways before the storm hit, let alone getting the rest of the walking nomads, who will likely be dehydrated and/or vomiting before lunch, to some sort of shelter.

Welfare schmelfare. Entitlement my ass. Where the fuck were they gonna walk? The Superdome!... oh wait.

And there would have been no looting had there been a sufficient, supplied police force patrolling what was left of the city.

I want to see you walk up to Aaron Broussard and tell him to his face that the building manager's mother would have lived if he had just put down the malt liquor and cigarettes.

I lived in the south for several years, and walked in excess of 3 to 4 miles most days without once collapsing.

I don't buy the heat issue. N.O. has been where it is (and as hot as it is) for 250 years, 50 of them air-conditioned. People seemed to get around just fine (even before automobiles) and even worked out doors doing manual labor. And as to where... practically anywhere but where they sat and waited. You can't tell me that you would just sit there and wait for it to hit, that you wouldn't start laying down shoe leather to get anywhere above sea level ASAP. I don't buy that it was to hot and they were to weak to walk when it was plenty cool enough and they were plenty strong enough to haul major appliances across town through water up to their hips...

What kind of fool lives in a city bellow sea level without a personal evacuation plan of some sort? That would be like driving without a seatbelt, boating without a lifejacket or living in Seattle without an earthquake survival kit… plain stupid! (Maybe we are witnessing evolution in action... or proof of intelligent design...)

None of this, of course, explains why the mayor (who seems to be able to actually enforce a forced evacuation today) didn't use the several hundred buses (which are now under water) and force those people to leave then.

[you_gotta_be_kidding_me]

That "product of the entitlement society," routine was straight off of Rush Limbaugh's rant this morning. I heard the same shit rolling through from Howard Stern to Al Franken, while I was driving through Tacoma.

I guess that is today's spin, that all these years of welfare makes people just sit around and wait for a government bailout. Hey, it all started on those cozy plantations. Never having to find a job and all.

Well... it seemed more kind to assume that they are the victims of the welfare state than to assume that they are stupid and/or lazy...

[Lucius Bolivar]

My great, great, great, grandfather was poor, orphaned, and in a bad place geographically. At age 16 he walked across the country in winter in peril of Indian attack, gathering what food he could along the way and couldn't even find a ATM, never mind that he did not have anything in his wallet and there was no refugee camp waiting for him, just what he could claw out of the land alone and on his own when he got “there”.

He sounds like a hell of a guy - they don't make 'em like they used to. I am guessing that he was not an African American, and was probably granted homestead land by the government that he did not need to get a fifteen year mortgage for.

Most of the people who ignored the warnings to leave N.O. (obviously excluding the very old and infirm) seem to have had strength enough to carry off flat screen TV’s the day after. I'm sure they could have walked (at no cost) to higher ground in the three days leading up to the storm.

I think you will find that most of the tens of thousands of people who did or could not evacuate were not carrying off televisions. Obviously there was a small percentage of knuckleheads acting stupid, just as they would anywhere else after a huge disaster when there is a total vacuum of any security presence.

I have lived in the Deep South, and this is a classic example of the complete inability of the Southern entitlement society to exert ANY effort to care for themselves. They (black & white alike) have been conditioned by government welfare to expect to be taken care of by the system.

I'm sure you can find some good examples of this sort of behavior, especially around here among affluent white suburbanites. It really does exist in all societies, just as there is always a small percentage of the criminal element. That doesn't mean that the vast majority of people behave like this or should be left to die.

While I feel great sympathy for the sick and old (shame on the mayor for not evacuating them) I can only feel disgust for the rest, they should have put down the malt liquor and the cigarettes and started walking three days before the storm hit. (Oh, but then they would miss out on the “undocumented shopping”.)

You feel disgust for thousands of American citizens who drowned, starved, died in their homes needlessly? That's pretty awful, do you really feel that way?

None of this, of course, explains why the mayor (who seems to be able to actually enforce a forced evacuation today) didn't use the several hundred buses (which are now under water) and force those people to leave then.

I have not heard any explanation for this failure yet. The question of why those buses were not evacuating people is a very good one and really needs to be answered. But the failures of the mayor do not excuse the failures of those higher up the chain.

[Gomezticator]

I reiterate the point:

I want to see you walk up to Aaron Broussard and tell him to his face that the building manager's mother would have lived if he had just put down the malt liquor and cigarettes.

[you_gotta_be_kidding_me]

I reiterate the point:

In my first post I clearly excluded the old and infirm. Sounds to me like she was both... The Mayor should be shot for not getting her out of harms way.

[elswinger]

My great, great, great, grandfather was poor, orphaned, and in a bad place geographically. At age 16 he walked across the country in winter in peril of Indian attack…

My great, great, great grandfathers (and mothers) were just defending our property. Your great, great, great grandfucker had a lot of nerve taking someone else's land and calling it his.

[you_gotta_be_kidding_me]

My great, great, great grandfathers (and mothers) were just defending our property. Your great, great, great grandfucker had a lot of nerve taking someone else's land and calling it his.

I don't dispute the unfairness of the situation, and didn't say he didn't ask to be attacked, just trying to impress that he knowingly faced great hardship in the hope of improving his situation through his own initiative.

A couple hundred years before "my people" displaced "your people" "my people" were displaced by the English, who were the remnants of Celts that were subjugated by the Romans and so on and so on and so on... I would bet "your people" were on the winning side of a similar situation at some point in their history. Sad hard truth... life is not fair and to the victors go the spoils. Nothing is really yours unless you defend it effectively.

Oh, and before you get all high and mighty, I'll let you know, the same guy married and raised a family with one of your great, great, great grandmothers... (from whom I am descended.)

[elswinger]

Maybe we're related. I'm half Irish, a quarter Cherokee, and a quarter Choctaw.

[you_gotta_be_kidding_me]

Almost... I'm mostly Scotch, a little Welch, a pinch of Norwegian, some German and a dolup of Blackfoot.

[Gomezticator]

I'm an eighth of a Native American tribe whose identity I've since forgotten, an eighth of another, a fifth of gin, a fifth of vodka, which leaves about 35% for my Filipino roots via my father... or maybe the fifth of vodka was his....