Pine St stabbing last night 9/11 please read.

[bobcat]

OK, it finally settled in after lunch today.

Have you seen a dead person? Have you seen someone right before they are about to die?

Well I did last night, and it is quite disturbing to say the least.

As usual I was doing my DeeJay duties at Kincora last night. Around 1am, someone came up to me and said 'dude there's someone who got stabbed that just walked in here!'. I turned the music down and much to my chagrin, there was someone laying down right inside the door clutching his stomach screaming about not wanting to die. Another man was outside and holding his forearm. It looked like he was squirting wine out of his wrist, but at closer look it was blood as he had his arm slit from the wrist on down. It was fucking crazy, a tendon was hanging out and it looked like a horror movie prop gone wrong.

After calling 911, we instantly put the people outside and gave them towels to compress their wounds. There was a trail of blood leading from the payphone outside the quickie mart half a block down. At the street corner, there was blood everywhere. A couple crackheads were wandering around, one had his shirt off and ran away. The man who came in clutching his stomach was freaking out. They were all high as fuck. You could take one look in their eyes and tell they were cracked out. The police, 2 firetrucks and a couple ambulances arrived shortly (along with channel 7 what the hell?), and they had to practically restrain the man with the stomach puncture. I doubt the man with the slit wrist lived 5 minutes past him being put in the ambulance.

The policeman told the owner of the Kincora he was 'helpless' to move the crackheads that gather just west of Cha-Cha, and that it was like 'herding cattle'. SPD has been doing a 'stop and pop' program downtown busting dealers and the dealers have started to move up the hill. Even 1 hour after this incident there were still at least 20 people hanging out on that corner outside the Cha-Cha. I only live 3 blocks away and I was freaked out to walk home. I took the long way home to avoid walking past them. I am usually never scared of people. The crackheads walk around the block and do their deals and smoke their poison in the apt entryways and bushes. With the addition of the quickly dilapitating Section 8 housing across the street from the City Market and the several halfway houses in the area, it's getting bad. Real bad. My friend and an employee of Kincoras was stabbed with a fillet knife earlier this year walking home and about bled to death. Some crackheads wanted his skateboard. A used, beaten skateboard.

I want you people to know that despite Seattle being a beautiful city, there are fucked up things going on out there. Please remember there is safety in numbers. Women, remember Mia Zapata. Please call a cab or have someone walk you home. Invest or ask someone for pepper spray at the very least.

We need to get these people out of this high-traffic residential area as i'm afraid it's only going to get worse. Seattle is notorious for passive-aggression. This is something we avoid, not look at and joke about at times. Someone is going to get hurt if this continues and I don't want it to happen. Our community does not need anymore tragedy. If anyone would like to help notify the media about this situation or organize something, now is the time. Not next week or month.... now.

Please repost and if you feel like you need to comment I cross-posted this in my bloogy-thing (www.myspace.com/boobcat).

Thanks
Jason Harrison (bobcat)

[amyjenniges]

I checked in with the SPD to see how the two victims fared. I was told "both people involved in the stabbing are going to be okay. The injuries were not life threatening."

Not that that makes it okay to go around stabbing people, but I wanted to pass the info along...

[bobcat]

Thanks for the info Amy. I talked to several other folks we both know and I think there might be some crossed wires though in your SPD information. We can discuss this later if you so desire.

I have seen some pretty interesting responses to say the least concerning my message above. Maybe it sounds freaky, but it was freaky for me. Seattle is a big city now boys and girls, it's not the pre-grunge/starbucks/amazon/REI digs we grew up with. We have to deal with problems as they arise and not turn a blind eye and make excuses like "oh you wanna see real problems.. goto (insert big East Coast city here).. guit being a pussy blah blah (insert penis-waving term here)." Well, we don't live there for obvious reasons.

If this happened outside Deanos on 21st and Madison, no one would of lifted a finger. However, bring it 100 feet across the street to the Twilight on say, a sunday night, then it might cause shock. But this happened on a high-density commerical / residential area where there is constant foot traffic. Drunk girls walking home alone at 3am. We all know what goes on there at night. It could of been someone we know, it might of been you... or me.

The purpose of this was to just let people know what's up. If you are scared and know who I am, I will walk you home. Something is wrong, and I voiced my opinion. People have offered to help me create an awareness night along that area. I want Home Alive involved and people who care. If I can save one life, then I can sleep at night. That is all.

[Jennifer Maerz]

Hey Bobcat,
Your post has gotten a lot of people to talking about such obvious things as the need for women to continue keeping their wits about them when it's late and they're thinking of stumbling home drunk and alone. It's frustrating sometimes to think of spening money for a cab when a lot of Capitol Hill is walkable, but even if nothing happens 99 percent of the time it's better to error on the safe side of things and at least try and walk home in packs. The worst that's happened to me was getting flashed one night (by a tall man in a short skirt, not pretty) but still your post is a reminder that people have had it a lot worse. I still can't believe your friend got attacked over a skateboard.

jm

[megtheplague]

to the women who might read this:

BEAR SPRAY!

Its 13 bucks a can at a sporting goods store and better than pepper spray, its probably illegal to use on a human, but in the case of an attack, i dont think many people will give a shit as long as you are defending yourself.

The difference- normal pepper spray or mace, typically shoots out in a thin stream, wheras bear spray has more pressure in the nozzle shooting out faster and in a large cloud (so it has more chance of hitting an attacked in the face if youre in a position where its hard to aim).

Im totally serious here, Ive had the not too delightful experience of being hit in the face with both mace and bear spray, trust me, the bear spray is FAR FAR FAR WORSE.

[bobcat]

passing along the information.. all are welcome.

REPOST REPOST REPOST PLEASE!

the meeting is scheduled! it will be held on tuesday the 20th at the Zero-Zero salon. the address is 1525 summit ave. the meeting will begin at 10pm, and go on till we're done. i hope this doesnt conflict with anyones schedule. i also know 10 m is a bit late, but its what worked. ill have tons of info prepared about personal safety and scheduled speakers (home alive, etc). the fan-fucking-tastic people at zero-zero are focusing more on the big picture, and have shop owners and speakers as well.
id like to thank everyone who; s been so supportive. this meeting wouldnt have come together if i didnt have all of you. im sorry i havent had time to email you all personally with thanks, but know im so very grateful. if anyone would like to meet with me personally, im more than happy to do so. also, if you cant attend the meeting for whatever reason, id be glad to go over what we discussed. thanks again.

[x45xCaliber]

OK, it finally settled in after lunch today.

Have you seen a dead person? Have you seen someone right before they are about to die?

Well I did last night, and it is quite disturbing to say the least.

As usual I was doing my DeeJay duties at Kincora last night. Around 1am, someone came up to me and said 'dude there's someone who got stabbed that just walked in here!'. I turned the music down and much to my chagrin, there was someone laying down right inside the door clutching his stomach screaming about not wanting to die. Another man was outside and holding his forearm. It looked like he was squirting wine out of his wrist, but at closer look it was blood as he had his arm slit from the wrist on down. It was fucking crazy, a tendon was hanging out and it looked like a horror movie prop gone wrong.

After calling 911, we instantly put the people outside and gave them towels to compress their wounds. There was a trail of blood leading from the payphone outside the quickie mart half a block down. At the street corner, there was blood everywhere. A couple crackheads were wandering around, one had his shirt off and ran away. The man who came in clutching his stomach was freaking out. They were all high as fuck. You could take one look in their eyes and tell they were cracked out. The police, 2 firetrucks and a couple ambulances arrived shortly (along with channel 7 what the hell?), and they had to practically restrain the man with the stomach puncture. I doubt the man with the slit wrist lived 5 minutes past him being put in the ambulance.

The policeman told the owner of the Kincora he was 'helpless' to move the crackheads that gather just west of Cha-Cha, and that it was like 'herding cattle'. SPD has been doing a 'stop and pop' program downtown busting dealers and the dealers have started to move up the hill. Even 1 hour after this incident there were still at least 20 people hanging out on that corner outside the Cha-Cha. I only live 3 blocks away and I was freaked out to walk home. I took the long way home to avoid walking past them. I am usually never scared of people. The crackheads walk around the block and do their deals and smoke their poison in the apt entryways and bushes. With the addition of the quickly dilapitating Section 8 housing across the street from the City Market and the several halfway houses in the area, it's getting bad. Real bad. My friend and an employee of Kincoras was stabbed with a fillet knife earlier this year walking home and about bled to death. Some crackheads wanted his skateboard. A used, beaten skateboard.

I want you people to know that despite Seattle being a beautiful city, there are fucked up things going on out there. Please remember there is safety in numbers. Women, remember Mia Zapata. Please call a cab or have someone walk you home. Invest or ask someone for pepper spray at the very least.

We need to get these people out of this high-traffic residential area as i'm afraid it's only going to get worse. Seattle is notorious for passive-aggression. This is something we avoid, not look at and joke about at times. Someone is going to get hurt if this continues and I don't want it to happen. Our community does not need anymore tragedy. If anyone would like to help notify the media about this situation or organize something, now is the time. Not next week or month.... now.

Please repost and if you feel like you need to comment I cross-posted this in my bloogy-thing (www.myspace.com/boobcat).

Thanks
Jason Harrison (bobcat)



I'm new to this city...grew up in Chicago and just moved here from there. Just offering some personal advice. There's no reason to be scared and worried about shit like this. It happens. Be smart, have common sense, mind your own business and stay out of situations where you know you're outnumbered/a target for bad shit to happen. If you have to walk past a few crackheads on the way home, no big deal. If you're a female, of course you should travel with a group of males if possible, and if not, take a cab just to be safe. I lived around the corner from one of the notorious projects in Chicago until I moved here a few weeks ago, so I myself need to concsiously make an effort to be aware of my surroundings as nothing I've seen here even mildly compares to the ghetto areas of Chicago, but just because it looks different doesn't mean it's any better. Anyway, just remember that any material possesion, or money can always be replaced. At the same time, if you find yourself in the situation of being robbed/held up, be cooperative but try not to seem like you're scared shitless. That'll give the perpetrator more reason to take even further advantage of you. If you do have pepper spray or a weapon, use it as defense.....if you feel the person is about to physically hurt you, then unleash on him, but if not, just cooperate, and get outta there afterwards. Something as simple as spraying pepper spray can go all wrong when you're in a panic. Anyway, my point here is that you should be smart & aware of what's going on around you, it's not just in urban areas that these things happen. It can happen anywhere. There's no reason to be scared or timid because something bad could happen. Common sense. That's all it takes.

[bobcat]

Once again, the "no reason to be scared" statement brings out the whole passive nature I am so sick of. I've lived in Chicago too, but this isn't Chicago. This is Seattle. People that talked to me about growing up in Detroit, D.C., etc., that's all great. There's a reason most of us aren't living there. I sure wasn't going to get anywhere in Charleston SC either. Crackheads are not people, they are animals. You ever try to talk someone on PCP off a bad trip?

[segal]

Crackheads are not people, they are animals.
You just insulted animals.

[boobee]

I heard a rumor that the man stabbed in the arm had died and that there was another stabbing recently outside the War Room. Can anyone confirm these?

[amyjenniges]

The cops told me neither of the 9/11 stabbing victims died, or had life threatening injuries.

I hadn't heard anything either way about an incident near the War Room.

[Shackletodd]

Yeah, the incident outside of the war room did happen. So x45xcaliber, we are well past the common sense approach as it is going to take more than that to make sure we can keep our friends/family/neighborhood safe. Alot of people feel disenfranchised with the "democratic process" thing, but it does still exist. It only dies when the people allow it to die. There will be more meetings and we will become more organized and this will give us a common voice that elected officials will not be able to ignore. If we ignore this problem, it will only become worse.

[x45xCaliber]

people die, people get hurt by other people. Shit happens. You don't want to be a statistic, stay home and never leave. You're more likely to get run over while crossing the street (even with the crazy ass crosswalk laws around here) than you are getting shanked to death by a crackhead. Grow a spine, carry a weapon, avoid certain areas, or stay home. Simple as that.
You wanna fight back against scum in your neighborhood, then accept the fact that you may be faced with a person who has nothing to lose and figure out what you're going to do in that situation. Again, if you're not prepared to deal with that, then avoid it alltogether.

[Gomezticator]

People in New York, LA and Chicago, even Las Vegas, deal with everyday shit five times more fucked up than the situation the Pike/Pine corridor is facing, right before their own eyes, and yet those cities have a vibrant nightlife. People don't lock themselves in their homes there. How do they do that with all the life-threatening crazies out there?

Simple: what x45 said. Yes, there are fucked up people out there. Be alert to your surroundings, travel in groups and be prepared for the rare possibility that you could end up in a confrontation with some crackhead who goes for your throat because he's got nothing to lose. Carry some mace, carry a 'dummy wallet' with little cash in it (should someone try to rob you), and I cannot stress enough to TRAVEL IN WELL LIT, VISIBLE AREAS, IN GROUPS. Oh, and criminals, like dogs, feed off fear from their victims. They can sense it when you're afraid. Don't walk out on the street afraid. Be proactive, don't be reactive. Someone following you? Stay in sight or beeline for the nearest cop, business, crowd, whatever. Don't make the robbery/rape/mugging easy for the perp.

At the risk of jinxing myself, I walk the streets of downtown, Capitol Hill and so on almost every day, before that the streets of Las Vegas, and despite not carrying a weapon of any kind I have yet to have been mugged, robbed, attacked and so on (and no, that is not an invitation to try it). And lord knows I've been trailed, eyed and so on many, many times. It's a matter of staying alert, what situations you put yourself in and how you act as well as react. And yes, I know I'm opening the door for a million flames with this post.

[Shackletodd]

Yes, things are scary all over. Urban common sense aside, this shit happens at 10:00am on a Tue. and if was happening in a high media area (downtown) or in a high income residential neighborhood the S.P.D. would be all over it. So people can be complacent and just chalk it up to "thats the way shit is" or they can do something. I mean,christ, how many marches happen all the time for Tibet, or bush sucks, or vegans unite or whatever the fuck, but when confronted with something right in your face the amount of apathy is staggering,(or is it fear?). The sad thing is if pike/pine removes the problem from their neighborhood then it goes somewhere else, then the citizens of that community have to deal with it. It's tragic really, I can understand why its so easy to remove yourself from it all.

[Gomezticator]

Carry some mace, carry a 'dummy wallet' with little cash in it (should someone try to rob you), and I cannot stress enough to TRAVEL IN WELL LIT, VISIBLE AREAS, IN GROUPS. Oh, and criminals, like dogs, feed off fear from their victims. They can sense it when you're afraid. Don't walk out on the street afraid. Be proactive, don't be reactive. Someone following you? Stay in sight or beeline for the nearest cop, business, crowd, whatever. Don't make the robbery/rape/mugging easy for the perp.

THAT'S apathetic?

[Shackletodd]

That's going to keep YOU safe. It does'nt do anything to try and fix the problem. It does'nt prevent the neighborhood from getting worse. It does'nt change anything. It does'nt answer the question,"why does the city ignore this problems in some neighborhoods and not in others?". Why does pioneer square have an alcohol impact area law and not the hill? I just think that it sucks and if people can organize to change things, why would you not want to do this. All I'm trying to say that is people do have the right and the power to change things for their community.

[+10 Sword Of Radical Shit]

Oh hell no. If I can't buy Malt Liquor on The Hill in a few month's because of this fucking paranoia I am going to start sticking people on principal. Do all the "taking back the 'hood" you want. Let's just leave the booze out of it, Dad.

[Shackletodd]

Why the hell would anyone want to drink that piss anyway. And yes, I am a dad. You sure have a hard time discussing anything without being sarcastic. Lets see between this thread and the other related thread you've been "funny", then defensive, oh and lets not forget your Bernard Goetz reference, simply brilliant.( yeah, I saw that issue of vice also). Do you have anything constructive to say or is this pretty much what your all about?

[+10 Sword Of Radical Shit]

And you've been picking on me everytime I have anything to add.

Relax. I just think all this recent alarm about crime on Capitol Hill is silly. And what difference does it make if I drink Malt Liquor? Don't be a snot.

You got a rule for everything don't you?

[Gomezticator]

That's going to keep YOU safe. It does'nt do anything to try and fix the problem. It does'nt prevent the neighborhood from getting worse. It does'nt change anything. It does'nt answer the question,"why does the city ignore this problems in some neighborhoods and not in others?". Why does pioneer square have an alcohol impact area law and not the hill? I just think that it sucks and if people can organize to change things, why would you not want to do this. All I'm trying to say is that people do have the right and the power to change things for their community.

Yes we do. You're absolutely right on that last point and your community took a step in the right direction by at least meeting and formally discussing the issue with local law enforcement.

All that said, at the same time as citizens you need to take responsiblity for your own safety. Even with a police presence, the area along Capitol and First Hills can be dangerous at spots and you need to watch yourself. The advice I gave works for me but it can also work for anyone else. Crime is everywhere and can happen anywhere at any time, and the best targets are the ones who make it easy by not being aware, not protecting themselves and putting themselves in vulnerable circumstances.

The cops have been very negligent towards your neighborhood and they need to make a better effort to address legitimate issues (like crackheads smoking rock right on the damn street). But they cannot eliminate the problem completely. People need to take responsibility for their own safety as well.

[Shackletodd]

You are right,Gomezticator. Personal safety is an important facet of creating a safe neighborhood. Personal responsibility as well. More to come on this. +10 S.O.R.S. every time time you add something it ends (or is) a smart alecky attack on me (name calling) or what I have to say. I'm not a sensitive person, but if you call me out..... P.S. I had the pleasure of meeting bobcat (the guy who started this thread) and I don't think he,nor those who have had similar experiences, think this is silly at all.

[+10 Sword Of Radical Shit]

I don't know, man. I'm not seeing it that way at all.

[bobcat]

Hey Todd, I need to swing by to grab those emails so I can set up a listserv. People have been asking me what's happenin' as of late so there's no better time then tomorrow..uh i mean, the present.

and to the D&D magically enhanced weapon of feces, your Simpsons-comic-bookstore-guy trolling isn't providing anything positive what so ever. Show up at our next meeting or STFU.

[Treefriend]

I tried to rate this thread but they didn't have an "el-sucko" choice.

[bobcat]

Until I get a list of emails and such I quickly made a Yahoogroups! mailserv for us. Please join if you are interested in future events / meetings or the haps on what is going on in the Capitol Hill neighborhood.

http://groups.myspace.com/takebackourhill - Take Back Capitol Hill myspace group

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/takebackourhill - Yahoogroups Email group

All are welcome, just stay on topic people.

[+10 Sword Of Radical Shit]

What exactly goes on at these meetings?

Do I get a sash and a whistle and a little notepad to take names down with if I play along?

What? I'm a troll just because I'm gleaning some enjoyment from disagreeing with you? C'mon man. I'm just challenging you to see that all this reaction is too little too late. You won't change shit confronting Capitol Hill's problems head on at this point. You'll aggravate things, you'll keep a handful of homeless addicts on the run and you'll eventually even ruin the nightlife there. I'm sorry you don't agree. I'm just not thrilled at the prospect of snitch culture getting it's foot in the door on Capitol Hill. You ain't galvanizing shit. You're already acting all "Us Vs. Them" and it's really a bummer to me.

[Shackletodd]

So crack heads accosting people adds to a vibrant nightlife and a citizens action commitee ,(yes,that does sound hall monitor-ish), dedicated to at least TRY and make the place safer for all, is "snitch culture"? You are right about one thing though the City will just push it around to another neighborhood then it's their problem. Thats a bigger, more idealistic topic. Oh, and by the way, yes you can have a sash and a whistle if you want. You have to work up to "notepad guy".

[Jupiter]

You're already acting all "Us Vs. Them" and it's really a bummer to me.

This whole thread is getting way too Gradeschool for me. I do agree with the guy on this point. I was concerned since the Bear Spray post. You people have a simplistic view of who the "Bad" people are.

I have friends who don't look like you and I worry about their safety from the angry mobs and the people who are SUPPOSED to "serve and protect" everybody.

Don't get me wrong, I'm as pasty white and privaleged as the rest of you but I worry about people I know who aren't, getting Bear Sprayed because somebody was scared and he just happened to be walking home on the same street they were on.

The people were right when they said to be aware of the area and the situation. If there's a group of people milling about and they're looking to cause trouble, aviod them. This may be too "Seattle Passive-Agressive" for some people but you still get to be Passive-Agressive AT HOME!

[Shackletodd]

Once again, this thread goes back to narcissism. I have, me me me, I am, my my friends, me...... fuck. Listen (or read), we are not talking about the homeless. We are not talking about people who do drugs. We are not talking about how your friends may or may not look like homeless people or even hipsters. We ARE talking about the crack heads (you can tell who they are by the fact that they are smoking crack in public). We are talking about these very same crack heads who are stabbing each other and accosting people, every day, in broad daylight. We are talking about the fact that if this neighborhood ignores this problem (the cops certainly are) then this neighborhood will turn into an economically depressed ghetto. What about the nightlife then? Be passive aggresive at home? Fuck passivity all together. Like it or not, there are buisiness owners and people who live here who are doing something to change the city's complete dis-regard for the pike/pine corridor. And how the hell do you know what I look like, is this the only basis for argument that you could come up with? An assumption based on absolutly nothing?

[Gomezticator]

Once again, this thread goes back to narcissism. I have, me me me, I am, my my friends, me...... fuck. Listen (or read), we are not talking about the homeless. We are not talking about people who do drugs. We are not talking about how your friends may or may not look like homeless people or even hipsters. We ARE talking about the crack heads (you can tell who they are by the fact that they are smoking crack in public). We are talking about these very same crack heads who are stabbing each other and accosting people, every day, in broad daylight. We are talking about the fact that if this neighborhood ignores this problem (the cops certainly are) then this neighborhood will turn into an economically depressed ghetto. What about the nightlife then? Be passive aggresive at home? Fuck passivity all together. Like it or not, there are buisiness owners and people who live here who are doing something to change the city's complete dis-regard for the pike/pine corridor. And how the hell do you know what I look like, is this the only basis for argument that you could come up with? An assumption based on absolutly nothing?

The concern of Jupiter is that SPD is notorious for officers who, in an area where a crime has been committed or crime is high, they are prone to being reactionary, racially profiling, and in cases even documented in the past by The Stranger, attacking minority men mainly because they're minorities in a crime area. Jupiter's concern is that, if the group goes to law enforcement and asks them to step up law enforcement on crackheads in the area, the law may interpret that more broadly than we'd like, and some officers may exercise that same racial profiling and reactionary behavior on perfectly innocent citizens in the Pike/Pine area.

Now, is such concern justified? To some extent. Most SPD cops are honest and treat others fairly, but many of the bad apples could patrol the same streets you walk. If any of your friends are minorities and happen to be walking past an area where a fight/robbery/rape just went down, it could be trouble for them even though they had nothing to do with the crime. That's not a baseless concern.

Reactionary behavior and misprioritizing: Christopher Frizelle just mentioned in the SLOG that he went to Cal Anderson park with a friend and shared a can of PBR. The cops came roaring in and FLIPPED OUT over the fact that he was drinking a beer in the park, and threw both him and his friend out of the park for seven days. Meanwhile, drug deals, rapes and stabbings are happening all over the Hill, crimes that go unanswered, but these cops are focused on some clean cut guy having a beer in the park.

I was walking off the 43 in Capitol Hill, and passed three idle bike cops in the span of less than half a block on Broadway north of John. A couple blocks later, I came to the light and waited for it to turn green. It turned green, I made sure no one was crossing the intersection (cars were in the intersection still but they were all turning left onto Broadway), and crossed with the other foot traffic. As I got to the other side, a BMW came roaring through the intersection and just missed hitting me by two feet. He couldn't have been sitting in the intersection because the cars that were had turned, so he had to have cut behind them all. Plus, all this held up Broadway despite those cars having the green light.

I looked around. There was not a cop to be found in sight, despite passing a pack of three just two blocks ago.

Conclusion: the problem is bigger than the crackheads and the dealers. The SPD enforces the law selectively and is guilty of gross negligence on Capitol Hill.

[Shackletodd]

Conclusion: the problem is bigger than the crackheads and the dealers. The SPD enforces the law selectively and is guilty of gross negligence on Capitol Hill.
I think we ALL agree with that.

[bobcat]

It doesn't matter if you are white, black, brown, orange purple, plaid or paisley. There is no reason people should be congregating and loitering on a street corner at 3:30am (unless the apt is on fire).

I am not the law nor do I wish to enforce these governing rules set upon us by old men seeking out their best interests. I grew up with great disdain towards the badge, just like many of you.

My selfishness not only wants to see my friends, but also my potential friends home safely and with their body parts intact.

There's only so much one can convey on the internet. Emotion is not one of them, while sarcasm and pessimism reign supreme. We are all adults here and when you put faces to internet names it makes things quite clear. Of course, if you do want a little sheriff badge and a plastic cowboy hat I can swing by Champion or Archie McPhee on the way to the next meeting.

I'm heading to Kincora tonight, I'll bring the camera in case there is a congegation in order to solidify my point.

[+10 Sword Of Radical Shit]

And how the hell do you know what I look like, is this the only basis for argument that you could come up with? An assumption based on absolutly nothing?

Whatever. You and your boy Bobcat have been profiling the fuck out of me since I first opened my mouth and then making commentary on your run-of-the-mill presumptions. Do I need to dig up the exact remarks, Shackletodd or are we in agreement that you're now acting a little punchy? How are you gonna shit on someone for doing what you're guilty of? You guys are acting like Cops-Lite. If you're the dynamic duo who's going to clean up The Hill then I officially feel less safe. You can't even clean up this thread.

There is no reason people should be congregating and loitering on a street corner at 3:30am (unless the apt is on fire).

Excuse me, Mr. Let's-Declare-Martial-Law-Over-The-Drug(pronounced:negro)-Problem. It's nobody's fucking business whether or not I'm on the corner at 3:30am. WTF? Mini-fascist.

Look, I break the law as much as the next guy. (Frequent drinker in public areas on The Hill, stoner, frequent J-Walker, occasional fist fighter with annoying crackheads that make you piss your pants). When you go and bug them lazy ass cops to watch your neighborhood closer, their typical response is to fuck with me and not your crack menace. Great job. Are you paying attention or are you totally new to this. Cops do not prevent crime. They ivestigate crime, occasionally solve the ones in that make the papers and then hand out tickets the rest of the time.

I seriously hope you guys lead a blackmarket free lifestyle too if your planning on attracting so much attention to a tip-wage neighborhood where everyone lives off cash and indulges in frequent vices themselves.

How in the fuck did you manage to romanticise this whole Bronson thing? Have you been paying attention to what won't fly here or are you just trying to be different (like everybody else)? Get your credit straightened out so you can get the fuck on to Belltown or across a bridge already.

[Shackletodd]

Whatever. You and your boy Bobcat have been profiling the fuck out of me .
At what point did I ( note 'I') profile anyone. I think it's funny that your sooooo concerned with keeping capitol hill crack-tastic. Also when did I EVER bring race into this? The fact that you automatically bring race into this makes me question your racial perceptions. Negro? Jesus ,dude,whatever. Anyway, my concern is not with drugs or their use. I not a fan of prohibitionist archaic drug laws as they are a violation of our constitutional rights. I AM NOT afraid of ANY of these fucks that I'm talking about, not even a little as I have told most of them to go fuck themselves(they,like you, don't like me much either). So,once again, I am going to say that this is about keeping this neighborhood from becoming gentrified. Let me explain, when a neighborhood can't support small buisiness, the retail properties end up getting bought by chains and large conglomerates (property management companies and so forth) and presto! you have Q.F.C. where Broadway market used to be. How are you going to like it when the Keg and Urban outfitters get to put in new locations in the new retail/condo development that they built after they ripped down the building the cha-cha and bus stop were in because the patrons(most of whom don't live up here) quit coming up to the hill to party for fear of their personal safety. Keeping small buisiness viable is the only way from stopping gentrification from happening in the pike/pine corridor. If it also keeps the people who live and work up here safe also, how is this a bad thing?

P.S. After our 1st meeting we compiled a phone list so the S.P.D. gets 20 phone calls instead of one, and for the first time they actually showed up and arrested this scuz-fuck crackdealing pimp( I've seen him do both). Once again, its not about the drugs or the prostitution,its about it being on the streets, in broad daylight, And they gotta fuck with people, so since I can't wack them myself (Bernard Goetz style) I am doing the only thing I can do.

P.P.S. A good portion of the people at our meetings are pike /pine buisiness owners, including bars, so if you disapprove so much, don't frequent their establishments. (It's ALL the bars).

[+10 Sword Of Radical Shit]

Look man, you guys get it. All the punk ass name calling don't trip me out at all. You get it. You know what I am saying makes sense but you don't like my style or my mouth.

Quit calling for Dad, sissies.

[+10 Sword Of Radical Shit]

P.S. Yeah. Crackheads is why there's a QFC and an Urban Outfitter in The Hill.

[Shackletodd]

P.S. Yeah. Crackheads is why there's a QFC and an Urban Outfitter in The Hill.
That and poor grammar.

[placid_panic]

Crackheads are not people, they are animals.

people are animals.

[x45xCaliber]

If the cops aren't taking notice, go to Kinkos (better yet, steal a few minutes worth of your corporate job's precious toner & copy machine) and make about 500 copies of 8 1/2 X 11 flyers, grab a staple gun and take to the streets. MAKE people notice and post flyers informing them who to write a letter or email to regarding the current "problem". If it does no good, at least you made just about the best effort that one person could....and get some good ol' black market mace to carry around if you're worried.


Reality is, you could live in suburbia and still get mugged, robbed, or beat down. Don't let your false sense of security get the best of you whether you're in an upscale neighborhood or on the same corner as a couple thugs.

[+10 Sword Of Radical Shit]

That and poor grammar.

Grammar?

So we've reduced everything to grammar?

You are gonna cross the eyes and dot the tees on all these punks ain't you, Charles Bronson?

[Shackletodd]

Grammar?

So we've reduced everything to grammar?

You are gonna cross the eyes and dot the tees on all these punks ain't you, Charles Bronson?
WITH CAPITAL LETTERS. Relax, I was just being a smart ass. Oh and by the way, we are making an impact,(be it minor), and this thread is tired already. It's redundant as well since the proverbial wheels are turning. The whole point of this thread and the other related thread (garbage bin) was to incite civic action to lawfully make an impact in the nieghborhood. We've done exactly that. If you don't approve, well too bad.

[+10 Sword Of Radical Shit]

Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like someone has finally won the battle of Capitol Hill!

Great. Good for you.