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[while]

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The Associated Press caption accompanying the image with a black person says he's just finished "looting" a grocery store. The AFP/Getty Images caption describes lighter skinned people "finding" bread and soda from a grocery store. No stores are open to sell these goods.



New Orleans, Sept. 1, 2005 - It's criminal. From what you're hearing, the people trapped in New Orleans are nothing but looters. We're told we should be more "neighborly." But nobody talked about being neighborly until after the people who could afford to leave … left


There are gangs of white vigilantes near here riding around in pickup trucks, all of them armed, and any young Black they see who they figure doesn't belong in their community, they shoot him.


But nobody cares. They're just lawless looters ... dangerous


The hurricane hit at the end of the month, the time when poor people are most vulnerable. Food stamps don't buy enough but for about three weeks of the month, and by the end of the month everyone runs out. Now they have no way to get their food stamps or any money, so they just have to take what they can to survive.


Every day countless volunteers are trying to help, but they're turned back. Almost all the rescue that's been done has been done by volunteers anyway.


here is the real truth, they were watching our in need of help Americans die and suffer because they are afraid of us African Americans and other poor races & it make me mad because these scum just are sitting around while people die and it is sick.


they can't even take care of our affairs here in America, how are they going to help other country's when this place is a hell hole. It made me sick to see Veterans dying and they fault for this country like my dad, & my step brother is now fighting in Iraq & even he called me & said that he feels ashamed & appalled at what he has saw this week from our fake country

[Gomezticator]

Racism? In the South? NO WAY.

Holy crap... where did you find information on the cracker headhunters?

[firedemon]

it's because they were broke! Why were they broke? Because the govt continues to hand out welfare cards and food stamps to the lower class. They figure hey if day gonna gi me dis den i aints gotta work, now pass dat Hennessey.

[firedemon]

there are 2 ways you can take my previous statemet.
1. what a racist this guy is
2. this guy is from New Orleans and he calls it like he be seein' it

[Gomezticator]

So wait... it's okay to gun down people that are standing in the street if they're broke?

[firedemon]

I've read almost everyone of your posts in this past 2 weeks and this by far is the most ignorant. Gun down people in the streets? O.K. genius prove your point. I want you to go find a story in some column that says innocent black people were just gunned down for no reason in the street. Hurry up now I gotta be at work at 8.

[Gomezticator]

I was referring to this:

New Orleans, Sept. 1, 2005 - It's criminal. From what you're hearing, the people trapped in New Orleans are nothing but looters. We're told we should be more "neighborly." But nobody talked about being neighborly until after the people who could afford to leave … left

There are gangs of white vigilantes near here riding around in pickup trucks, all of them armed, and any young Black they see who they figure doesn't belong in their community, they shoot him.

Now, whether or not this is true, we don't know, but you responded:

it's because they were broke! Why were they broke? Because the govt continues to hand out welfare cards and food stamps to the lower class. They figure hey if day gonna gi me dis den i aints gotta work, now pass dat Hennessey.

And I'M ignorant? Even if I am, pot, kettle, black. Even if this isn't true, for you to say it's okay to kill people cause they're poor is just mindlessly sick. It's not like YOU'VE made much sense in your posts in the last two weeks.

[firedemon]

You just said it yourself dipshit, whether we know if it's true or not. White Vigilantes? With a vocabulary as expanded as yours how can you be so dumb?
Where did you see that there were white vigilantes? Where did you see or read that black people were being shot for no reason? Asshole! You didn't, it's obvious you are relying on your buddies and there opinion and probably a couple of Seattle radio hosts that make their living by bashing Bush. You have no information that is current or accurate. Boy are you pathetic. I know New Orleans culture because I grew up in mid city(10 minutes from the Superdome), I've seen this city deteriorate over the last 15 years and the majority of the problem and crime comes from the uneducated black people who's education is horrific. The only subject I was wrong on was when I said local govt. should have tried to get them out before the storm hit. The reason for this was because the people would have been to stubborn and stupid to leave anyway. I know them, I know the way they think. That's right "they".

[firedemon]

I never said it was okay to murder someone if they were poor, it also seems that it is impossible to have an intelligent debate with you.

[Gomezticator]

This is silly.

The story I quoted was referenced by someone else below. If you've got a problem with the quote, bash the person who wrote it. The handle of the person I quoted is 'while'.

Where did you see that there were white vigilantes? Where did you see or read that black people were being shot for no reason?

Um, in the article quoted below. The story is from the San Francisco Bay View, from a writer who was in New Orleans after the hurricane. From the story:

There are gangs of white vigilantes near here riding around in pickup trucks, all of them armed, and any young Black they see who they figure doesn't belong in their community, they shoot him. I tell them, "Stop! You're going to start a riot."

Total lie, right? Even though you don't live there anymore you totally know those people and you'd know better than any media actually present in the city right now, right? You know the people but do you know what's happening down there right now? C'mon. Can you disprove the story?

it's obvious you are relying on your buddies and there opinion and probably a couple of Seattle radio hosts that make their living by bashing Bush.

I get my news off the AP, a variety of internet outlets and basically the same outlets as anyone else, including YOU. I don't listen to much Seattle radio, so I wouldn't know how much those shows bash Bush, but thanks for the sentiment.

You have no information that is current or accurate.

If I don't, and the media doesn't, THEN NEITHER DO YOU. You're 2000 miles away. You don't live there anymore, right? You didn't go down there after the hurricane, did you?

I've seen this city deteriorate over the last 15 years and the majority of the problem and crime comes from the uneducated black people who's education is horrific. The only subject I was wrong on was when I said local govt. should have tried to get them out before the storm hit. The reason for this was because the people would have been to stubborn and stupid to leave anyway. I know them, I know the way they think. That's right "they".

All we've heard from you over the last two weeks is that you're from New Orleans and that the residents of New Orleans are a bunch of illiterate degenerates so fuck them. You're telling me I'm wrong, but you've constantly stated that your former neighbors are a bunch of stubborn, uneducated, broke and ignorant fools, implying that they deserved to be ignored and left for dead. Look, no matter who they are, if they're caught in the middle of a disaster, they still need help if they're stuck in debris and surrounded by floodwater.

Whether or not they would have left, should we not have helped them? At all. I DO know what everyone else knows, that it took the Feds four days to get whoever was left any real help, and FEMA was turning away all aid and relief missions at the city limits, while people in the city suffered and many died.

[firedemon]

You need to give me the link to the person who in 'Frisco wrote that white vigilantes we're riding around in pickup trucks shooting at black people for no reason. If you don't have a link then you ain't got shit! Where's the story dude?
I'll tell you this straight up, ain't no pack of white dudes gonna dare step into the downtown area of New Orleans and start shooting at black people. Maybe your boy is referring to residents in the suburbs(Metarie, Kenner, Gretna) who were protecting neighborhoods, their neighborhoods from looters. I got some incredible stories from people that stayed and they told me they had guns on people that tried to break into a house but they didn't shoot them, that was in Metarie. The race card is being played here and their is nothing anyone can do about it. Fema was scared shitless of all the angry black people, that's obvious.
My conclusion is this Mr. Gometizer, there has never been order in the lower class uneducated projects and low income housing that dominates New Orleans.
This is a town that thrives on alcohol and violence. You don't no shit about that because your up in white ass Seattle, you can't speak for these people 'cuz you ain't lived it. I see this city rebuilding stronger then ever and rethinking the structure to bring back tourism like it once was. Oh yeah one more thing

Houston, we have a problem

[Jimmy Flame]

Sitting around waiting for foodstamps? Has it ever occured to you that there may be more people then jobs? Has anyone in this forum ever had to get foodstamps? It ain't about a free handout. It's about helping people obtain food. Here are some of my own facts in regards to welfare. Why? Because I grew up on welfare.

Fact #1: Foodstamps give all the other kids in school 'firepower' to make fun of you. It was not fun until I stopped giving a fuck.
Foodtsamps=Bad Example

Fact #2: When your mom needs cigarettes, and all you got is foodstamps, you have to go buy a 5 cent piece of candy with a foodstamp and take the 95 cent back to yo' momma', and do it like 2-3 times. Sometimes IN FRONT OF YOUR FREINDS!
Foodstamps=Embarrasment

Fact #3: When you are out playing basketball with the neighborhood 'homies', and you proudly state, 'I just got Mike Tysons Punch Out' and somebody says back, 'What yo' momma' get that welfare check today?' ... it will enrage you because it is the truth. Then, you grab the mother fucker by his hair a punch him in the eye. When he hits the ground you say 'Sheeaatt bitch! At least my daddy don't work in a got-damn Donut SHOP!'
Welfare=Violence

Fact #4: Between the 27th of the month to the 4th of the next month, you sit on your stoop hoping the you can sign early for the foodstamps. The government makes mistakes too. You might get lucky and get that gold envelope on the 29th. You know what day that is. Cause the post man comes creepin' up the street slower. And you know what neighbors get them because you can hear the chant begin at the end of the street. 'Fooo STAMP! Fooo STAMP!', and so on.
Foodstamps=Better government service

Fact #5: Ever notice when you sign for the foodstamps, your signature gets way 'artistic'?
Foodstamps=Creativity

Fact #6: You ever goto the grocery store and see kids mom that always makes funny of you using foodstamps so he can have his 'namebrand' TWINKIES? He's the mther fucker gettin' all violent and shit in the gym locker room. Not just a nice, Eeewwww, your moms got the welfare check, like it's herpies or somethin. But the asshole that throws a soccer ball at your head and says 'if you wasn't on foodstamps' you woulda' seen that comin'...
Foodstamps=Hate

Fact #7: It's the middle of the month. All your food is gone. Ain't no way to earn anything honestly. Most places don't want 'TRASH' representing the buisness they run. You run across some crack cocaine and someone offers you a few bucks for something you can hide behind your ear. Hmmmmmm... 'I'm hungry, and I need some new clothes.. and damn! This shit makes me forget how much of a nobody I am'...
Foodstamps=Crack!

Fact #8: You just start to obtain some new self esteem and someone informs you that selling crack is bad. You think 'Wait a minute, this was my ticket out of this shit, to help my people out. I thought we was all equal!'... Then you remember how many people look at you in fear and disgust, because you are considered TRASH!
Foodstamps=Bigotry

Fact #9: You've figured out a way to empower yourself so you can ignore what people think. If you have always had something, you will never understand what it's like to have NOTHING. One day you realize that all these people that have kept all the secrets to success, are GONE! And you think of all the reasons why you deserve something simple, like a 200 inch plasma TV!
Foodstamps=Looting

Fact #10: The working class vs. The poor. Naturally someone with a decent job may be pissed off at someone who collects welfare. Maybe the anger, if it's even needed, should be directed at the source of the problem, and not the people. Whats the source? Well, I'll tell ya' this. If our system actually worked, why is just about everyone in debt all the time? How come the cost of living is measured with a credit card? Why can't there be enough room for everyone to work in the field they desire!?
Foodstamps=Revolution

Thanks.

[firedemon]

You have sex, you have a kid, you leave your kid, you get a bottle, you get angry, you get a gun, you get hot, you get agitated, you kill.
New Orleans will be a better place if they focus on education.

[president Foush]

lighter skinned people / white people
FUCK YOU ALL

[Jimmy Flame]

Education? Hahahahahaaaaa..... You just don't get it. And you don't have to because you live in a nice safe white city. With trees and fucking Thai food restaraunts! What do you have to worry about? "Oh no! My credit card payment is late and the sky is falling!" ... Give me a fucking break!

[firedemon]

did you forget I just moved here from New Orleans? You fool.

[Jimmy Flame]

No I didn't forget, because I didn't know. But the issues that I have read and observed go beyond one city. I may have gotten a little 'off topic' in this forum. My observation comes from where I'm from. It all seemed to tie in to similar social circumstances that I have experienced, and was not directed at New Orleans in particular, but the way we (as Americans) view the struggles people go through.

[Shackletodd]

lighter skinned people / white people
FUCK YOU ALL
So I'm white, what did I do to deserve to be told "fuck you"? No, fuck you and your racist bullshit. All you do is join the ranks of Bush and co. and all the racist bastards who marginalize ethnic and economic groups within our American society. It's sad when those mad with power and greed are able to brainwash the very people that they exploit. Open your eyes.

[Shackletodd]

did you forget I just moved here from New Orleans? You fool.
Please move back as soon as possible.

[firedemon]

Unless of course you got the nuts to escort me out. But we know the nuts are buried deep in your mouth.

[Shackletodd]

Unless of course you got the nuts to escort me out. But we know the nuts are buried deep in your mouth.
My nuts are buried deep in my mouth? (If it were only that easy).

[Shackletodd]

it's because they were broke! Why were they broke? Because the govt continues to hand out welfare cards and food stamps to the lower class. They figure hey if day gonna gi me dis den i aints gotta work, now pass dat Hennessey.
See right here you contradict yourself by saying that the issue here is not totally racism, then you throw out the racist caracture.

[Shackletodd]

there are 2 ways you can take my previous statemet.
1. what a racist this guy is
2. this guy is from New Orleans and he calls it like he be seein' it
Yeah, and then you support the fact ( that you have racial issues). Point number 2 only supports point number 1, it does not provide an alternate choice on how one can take the previous statement.
As you hunt and peck, let me make two suggestions. The first, open a second window to a media source so you have an arguement based on more than conjecture and the second, proof read your replies, you don't want anyone to think you are an angry, racist redneck.

[Jimmy Flame]

On and on and on and on and on and on.... on and on and on and on.... *phew* on and on and on and on and....
Heres a racist comment:
I hate all people. There.

[firedemon]

As far as I'm concerned, being a racist would be hating an entire race of people.

[Shady_B_206]

[IMG]
The hurricane hit at the end of the month, the time when poor people are most vulnerable. Food stamps don't buy enough but for about three weeks of the month, and by the end of the month everyone runs out. Now they have no way to get their food stamps or any money, so they just have to take what they can to survive.


And that is the biggest problem, at the end of the month they had no money! Why did they have no money? Because they have lost all sense of self sufficiency due to the racist welfare state that tells poor black people that you cannot do anything yourself, you need the government for help. It is the leftist racist agenda! Lets not even get into food stamps, did any of you guys actually see the pictures of those at the superdome. At least half were overweight, and a good %25 were 300+ pounds. How the fuck did that happen? Probably because their whole lives they were told they couldn’t do anything, so they relied on the government to feed them, therefore they just sit on their ass all day and eat. The USA has more obese poor children (and children in general) then any other country in the world. The last thing the poor of NOLA or any city in this country need is a free meal. They need to learn how to work for what they get, this will give them a greater appreciation for money, and how to earn it.

Now some idiot said,” What if there are more people then jobs?” Ok dumb ass, whose fault is that? Is it the Americans peoples fault if there are people living in an area with no jobs? You want to punish them for it, so please explain why its their fault. I say if you live in a place with no jobs what so ever, well its your fucking responsibility to go somewhere that does have jobs, not sit on your ass and expect me to feed you so you can get fat and watch Jerry!!

Oh and the brainless wonder who lied about the article about white killing blacks in the streets, um where the fuck was that link dude? Oh ya, you fucking lied, you pussy!!

[Terrible TeaMan]

hey im like 16 years old and im not sure how old you guys are, im not a part of the majority ethnic group and i've gone through racism aplenty in the past and still do now, to me race surperiority is like a religion, u can choose to believe that your race is surperior to others, it's an international problem, but where theres racism theres good people too of each kind, i've read your arguements and i think they are not achieving a desired solution to this problem but creating a bigger hatred.

To me racism is like saying that dogs are all evil, but there are cute dogs and ones that will bite you, isn't that the same as racism?

[Betty Fjord]

it's because they were broke! Why were they broke? Because the govt continues to hand out welfare cards and food stamps to the lower class. They figure hey if day gonna gi me dis den i aints gotta work, now pass dat Hennessey.

Nice bit of conservative circular reasoning there. Why are poor people poor? Why, because the government is just too damn generous with them. Yes, the government is really just an over-indulgent daddy who must learn that to spare the rod is to spoil the child.

Way to throw down the racist caricatures, too. I love how all this shit that's normally hidden from view comes out in places like anonymous internet forums. It's helpful in reminding everyone that just 'cause this is the 21st century and nobody speaks it, certainly doesn't mean the sentiment's not floating around out there like poison gas.

As a member of the "lower class" you'd deprive of basic sustenance, I'd just like to say fuck off. Like Jimmy, I grew up poor and remember going with my mom to the grocery where she had to lay food stamps down on the counter while the clerk ostentatiously counted them out. Why? My dad had drank up all the food money (and electric bill money, and new school clothes money, and whatever else). And my mom didn't dare to say shit about it. My point: people can be broke for circumstances pretty much out of their control.

Not to mention: conservatives like to point fingers at the poor as the drains on our national resources. But social services are a drop in the bucket. Half a trillion dollars spent on Iraq, and for what? Yay, Saddam was a bad guy and now he's gone. But Saddam pales in comparison to Kim Jong Il. We don't fuck with North Korea, though... they've got WMDs for real.

[qwerty]

Most western European countries have a mix of capitalism and socialism. Why? Capitalism in its most primitive form leads to an over consolidation of power, and eventually revolution. Its bad business. I'm not a mathmatici but its explained by that beautiful mind dude with his Nobel Prize winning "game theory"

if some people need an occasional helping hand - its better to help a little than letting them completely hit rock bottom - desperate people do desperate things. Its bad for society. Its better to hand out a few food stamps than to hire and arm more police.

Also, we live in a highly mobile modern society where the economy is evolving at a rapid pace - this will leave people in transition while they move to find a better job or change industries. If it was more difficult for people to transition with the economy, then people will become more resistant to change, and they create drag on capitalistic forces.

Sure there's abuse and corruption in all social processes. The abuses should be addressed directly- rather than used as an excuse to dismantle positive social/economic technology.