ELF informant motherfucker

your fucking ELF informant motherfucker. you deserve to have the shit beat out of you, you cowardly phony-ass cry baby. here are a bunch of individuals with the courage to try to go against the capitalistic, anti-environmental bullshit that's been waging war on this country, more shamefully during the past 6 years of our current administration, and you chose to be a fucking baby nark. it is so depressing hearing about all of these people being nailed recently by the FBI on account of your traitor ass. these people have had the nerve to go to war against the establishment on behalf of the wildlife its been screwing over since the dawn of humans and you rat them out. i hope you enjoyed selling your soul in exchange for imprisonment of these noble activists. you fucking judas, i hope your guilty concience plagues you forever.

[scourge]

Yeah. You guys are really scary.



Punk.

[Northbysoutheastseattle]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

your fucking ELF informant motherfucker. you deserve to have the shit beat out of you, you cowardly phony-ass cry baby. here are a bunch of individuals with the courage to try to go against the capitalistic, anti-environmental bullshit that's been waging war on this country, more shamefully during the past 6 years of our current administration, and you chose to be a fucking baby nark. it is so depressing hearing about all of these people being nailed recently by the FBI on account of your traitor ass. these people have had the nerve to go to war against the establishment on behalf of the wildlife its been screwing over since the dawn of humans and you rat them out. i hope you enjoyed selling your soul in exchange for imprisonment of these noble activists. you fucking judas, i hope your guilty concience plagues you forever.

Okay, Terrorist.

[bigadsir]

The 'elf' does nothing but discredit the cause of environmentalism. What kind of lame-ass jerk would try to destroy a forest research project like the one they tried to torch a few years ago. They are no different than the terrosists who attack abortion clinics or the terrorists who threaten animal researchers.
None of them know what is best for the rest of us.

[Ballard Pimp]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

it is so depressing hearing about all of these people being nailed recently by the FBI on account of your traitor ass. these people have had the nerve to go to war against the establishment on behalf of the wildlife its been screwing over since the dawn of humans and you rat them out. i hope you enjoyed selling your soul in exchange for imprisonment of these noble activists.

Unregistered, given the general low level of discourse on the net, your language doesn't surprise me, so I shall respond to you, you ignorant turd.

Others have explained why you are a turd. I will explain why you are ignorant.

From the timing of this post, I presume you are referring to the recent guilty pleas of the "noble activists". You just fucking don't get it, do you? They are the informants! They've pleaded guilty; four others are scheduled for trial. The three who've copped pleas will testify for the government; based on that testimony they will receive greatly reduced sentences.

They are cowardly fucktards. Anybody stupid enough to do what they did is a cowardly fucktard. Then they each made a deal 'cuz they were looking at real jail time, and they shat themselves. Rich white kids don't make good terrorists.

[placid_panic]

Originally Posted by bigadsir

The 'elf' does nothing but discredit the cause of environmentalism. What kind of lame-ass jerk would try to destroy a forest research project like the one they tried to torch a few years ago. They are no different than the terrosists who attack abortion clinics or the terrorists who threaten animal researchers.
None of them know what is best for the rest of us.

i just want to point out that they are different in that they don't attack people, only property. with this in mind, i think it's lame to call them "terrorists". "saboteurs" would be more appropriate, imo.

[Mrt1212]

Originally Posted by placid_panic

i just want to point out that they are different in that they don't attack people, only property. with this in mind, i think it's lame to call them "terrorists". "saboteurs" would be more appropriate, imo.

or call them jerks.

[Abulafia]

Originally Posted by Mrt1212

or call them jerks.

I was thinking 'morons.'

--Judean People's Front. We're the People's Front of Judea! Judean People's Front. Cawk.

--Wankers.

Or maybe 'wankers.'

[bigadsir]

Originally Posted by placid_panic

i just want to point out that they are different in that they don't attack people, only property. with this in mind, i think it's lame to call them "terrorists". "saboteurs" would be more appropriate, imo.

I'll stick with the label "terorist" for elf (would 9/11 have been an act of sabotage if empty planes had hit empty buildings?) Torching a building even if empty is terrorism, just ask the folks who work at an elf targeted building. And what about the peta cowards who scream at and threaten little old ladies at the opera merely for choosing to wear whatever they want (no I don't wear fur myself, I will defend the right of people to wear it in public) Some people involved in medical research have recieved terrorist threats from those opposed to animal research. Peta promotes the big lie that animal research has never led to medical progress.

Contact: Americans for Medical Progress for good information that counters peta claims.

[Rorschach]

Originally Posted by bigadsir

I'll stick with the label "terorist" for elf (would 9/11 have been an act of sabotage if empty planes had hit empty buildings?) Torching a building even if empty is terrorism, just ask the folks who work at an elf targeted building. And what about the peta cowards who scream at and threaten little old ladies at the opera merely for choosing to wear whatever they want (no I don't wear fur myself, I will defend the right of people to wear it in public) Some people involved in medical research have recieved terrorist threats from those opposed to animal research. Peta promotes the big lie that animal research has never led to medical progress.

Contact: Americans for Medical Progress for good information that counters peta claims.

You can claim the right to call ELF members "terrorists" only if you acknowledge that anyone who bombs an abortion clinic is also a "terrorist". Both have the same goals: acts of political protest intented to invoke fear and anxiety in the civilian population.

To answer your (presumably rhetorical) question: If the infrastructure has an intrinsic military value (regardless of whether it is fulfilling a specific military function), or was targeted by the workers in said infrastructure, as in a dispute with management, then it would fit the definition of "sabotage". If, on the other hand, the infrastructure is targeted for some political purpose or against a government or other social authority, it would be defined as "terrorism".

Examples: deploying military commandoes to destroy a steel mill during wartime is sabotage; organizing a cell to fly civilian aircraft into the side of a building when no official state of war has been declared is terrorism.

[thedave]

Originally Posted by bigadsir

And what about the peta cowards who scream at and threaten little old ladies at the opera merely for choosing to wear whatever they want (no I don't wear fur myself, I will defend the right of people to wear it in public)

I guess if you were the animal murdered for that fur you might find that little old lady herself to be a terrorist as well.

Originally Posted by bigadsir

Some people involved in medical research have recieved terrorist threats from those opposed to animal research. Peta promotes the big lie that animal research has never led to medical progress

Lie or no lie im sure as hell youd be pretty upset if someone snatched you from the comfort of your home to lock you in a cage and test on you. I read a dupont document stating how they tested one of their ink products. They inject a monkey with a syringe full of ink. how the hell is that helping me?

[bigadsir]

without a doubt the people who bomb abortion clinics are terrorists. I believe that even most people on the anti-abortion side would consider clinic bombers to be terrorists.

[Chandira]

Bombs and terror are wrong, regardless of how right or wrong the cause is. Period.

Violence to stop violence slightly misses the point.

[Mrt1212]

Originally Posted by thedave

I guess if you were the animal murdered for that fur you might find that little old lady herself to be a terrorist as well.


Lie or no lie im sure as hell youd be pretty upset if someone snatched you from the comfort of your home to lock you in a cage and test on you. I read a dupont document stating how they tested one of their ink products. They inject a monkey with a syringe full of ink. how the hell is that helping me?

but im not an animal and i dont live in the land of "what if". it always makes me laugh whenever someone tries to draw analogy between human and animal because the comparisons end with basic bodily functions.

and any animal rights activist can never make a distinction between human and animal in any arguement.

plus animals dont live in the comfort of any home. they live in a cruel world where if its not a human bopping them upside its a polar bear eating them. and why do the needs of a polar bear outweight needs of my fur consumption?

if i go along with the "animals are equals to humans" then its my animal instinct to kill things that keep me warm...i just have a good set of tools and knowledge how to do it.

you know why i would test ink on a monkey? cause we dont want to sell toxic ink to people. are you suggesting ld50 tests on people?

[thedave]

Originally Posted by Mrt1212

plus animals dont live in the comfort of any home. they live in a cruel world where if its not a human bopping them upside its a polar bear eating them.

Niether do many humans. I dont see us making leather from the skin of the homeless.

Originally Posted by Mrt1212

if i go along with the "animals are equals to humans" then its my animal instinct to kill things that keep me warm...i just have a good set of tools and knowledge how to do it.

you also have access to one hell of a textile industry that can make non fur clothing for warmth

Originally Posted by Mrt1212

you know why i would test ink on a monkey? cause we dont want to sell toxic ink to people. are you suggesting ld50 tests on people?

Well i have to assume that the enginering departments and scientist that blend these inks together are well aware of what toxic chemicals do or dont go into the production of these inks. I dont imagine they making inks from unmarked bottles of chemicals that may or may not be toxic.

[Mrt1212]

Originally Posted by thedave

Niether do many humans. I dont see us making leather from the skin of the homeless.



you also have access to one hell of a textile industry that can make non fur clothing for warmth



Well i have to assume that the enginering departments and scientist that blend these inks together are well aware of what toxic chemicals do or dont go into the production of these inks. I dont imagine they making inks from unmarked bottles of chemicals that may or may not be toxic.

cause we have a society that ostracizes and comes down on violence against others of the same species. do animals? do chimps systematically root out the chimp that rapes another chimp? do bonobos systematically root out those that refuse to participate in the sexual ridiculousness? do animals have a code of laws not based on instinct?

I dont advocate skinning the homeless because in every person there is potential to make my life better, and it would be prohibitively more expensive than killing a cow.


now choosing textiles over fur is a matter of choice. just because the option is there doesnt mean i need to exercise it, does it? what if i prefer the feel of fur, the look of fur, the moral outrage it causes some people?

and its important to establish the threshold of toxicity before releasing to public. id much prefer tests on the lethality of di hydrogen monoxide on chimps than on humans.

[Rorschach]

Originally Posted by Mrt1212

and its important to establish the threshold of toxicity before releasing to public. id much prefer tests on the lethality of di hydrogen monoxide on chimps than on humans.

So, are you saying it is morally acceptible to drown lesser primates?

[Mrt1212]

Originally Posted by Rorschach

So, are you saying it is morally acceptible to drown lesser primates?

if it prevents the loss of human life, yes. if its in the course of staging a lesser primate naval battle, then even more so.

[Ballard Pimp]

Originally Posted by Rorschach

So, are you saying it is morally acceptible to drown lesser primates?

It happens all the time. We call them "Bellevueites".

[placid_panic]

Originally Posted by Rorschach

You can claim the right to call ELF members "terrorists" only if you acknowledge that anyone who bombs an abortion clinic is also a "terrorist". Both have the same goals: acts of political protest intented to invoke fear and anxiety in the civilian population.

To answer your (presumably rhetorical) question: If the infrastructure has an intrinsic military value (regardless of whether it is fulfilling a specific military function), or was targeted by the workers in said infrastructure, as in a dispute with management, then it would fit the definition of "sabotage". If, on the other hand, the infrastructure is targeted for some political purpose or against a government or other social authority, it would be defined as "terrorism".

Examples: deploying military commandoes to destroy a steel mill during wartime is sabotage; organizing a cell to fly civilian aircraft into the side of a building when no official state of war has been declared is terrorism.

1. To inflict maximum economic damage on those profiting from the destruction and exploitation of the natural environment.
2. To reveal to, and to educate the public about the atrocities committed against the earth and all species that populate it.
3. To take all necessary precautions against harming any animal - human and nonhuman.

I really just don't think it makes sense to lump this group in with people who deliberately kill other people. "Sabotage" is accurate here even if not in the legal sense but if you don't like that then how about "vandalism"? "Terrorism" is just way too overused and I think it's ridiculous to apply it to the acts of an organization that goes out of its way to avoid harming people.

[Rorschach]

Originally Posted by placid_panic

I really just don't think it makes sense to lump this group in with people who deliberately kill other people. "Sabotage" is accurate here even if not in the legal sense but if you don't like that then how about "vandalism"? "Terrorism" is just way too overused and I think it's ridiculous to apply it to the acts of an organization that goes out of its way to avoid harming people.

More pertinent, however, would be whether said acts invoke a measurable sense of fear and anxiety in the general population, which is the de facto goal of terrorism. ELF's activities, while certainly done with malicious intent, do not, for all intents and purposes meet that threshold. Therefore, "vandalism" would be an acceptible substitute.

[scourge]

Its only a matter of time til these dumbasses kill someone. I don't think they qualify as terrorists, but they have no right destroying property of any kind.

If you torch a new house construction because you love trees, a new house is going to be built on the ashes. That's even more of a waste. Thanks to you.

[Fnarf999]

Originally Posted by placid_panic

i just want to point out that they are different in that they don't attack people, only property.

When that fucking scum burned down the Center for Urban Horticulture, they destroyed several lifetimes of work, much of which was of immense value to the very environmental causes they claim to support.

The action was anti-civilization, anti-knowledge, anti-truth, anti-reason and ultimately anti-environment. It was worthy of the Nazi Brownshirts. The people who did it are fucking filth, and they deserve everything they get and worse. I'd like to see them go up in a fire. I hope they die in that prison.

[Fnarf999]

Originally Posted by placid_panic

I think it's ridiculous to apply it to the acts of an organization that goes out of its way to avoid harming people.

Why don't you ask Sarah Reichard if she was harmed by ELF, you moron? You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. The Center for Urban Horticulture fire was a hate crime directed at people. People whose work the shitheads in ELF have not even a faint glimmer of a clue about.

How about this: one fourth of the world's supply of showy stickweed, an endangered species, was destroyed in that fire, along with all of the research associated with it, which was focused on how to protect the genetic diversity of urban environments. Didn't think about that, did you, fuckwit?

God damn, I would like ten minutes in a locked room with these assholes and a tire iron.

[Boyd Main]

Let's not forget that the attack on the Center for Urban Horticulture actually killed two snakes which had a home there. Way to protect lifeforms, losers!